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> On Apr 5, 4:16 am, "Dave Wade" <g8...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Doug McIntyre" <mer...@geeks.org> wrote in message
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>> news:47f647eb$0$93289$8046368a@newsreader.iphouse. net...
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>> > "Rob Fraser" <FraserRacing"AT"RobFraser.Net> writes:
>> >>Any idea when the prices of the above units will become "reasonable"
>> >>Hopefully like the depreciation we saw in the Ultra 5 and 10 market?
>> >>I
>> >>was asked last night and I had no idea so I said I'd check here with
>> >>you
>> >>guys for your opinions. I don't see them coming down soon but I'm no
>> >>economist.
>>
>> > The Ultra 5/10 are generations apart from the Ultra 20/24/40?
>> > (if not all that far apart in numbering schemes).
>>
>> > I'd say the Ultra20 is pretty reasonable right now. One going for $250
>> > right now on eBay? But Sun does still sell it new currently.
>>
>> > The Ultra 24/40 are their current Sun x64 workstation offerings?
>>
>> I just looked at those on the SUN web site. They look a horrendous price
>> when compared with the equivalent Lenovo(IBM) tower. The IBM comes with
>> three years warrenty, but three years silver support for SUN is as much
>> as
>> the IBM. Niceley made as well...
>>
>> > Gear comes down in price after its been EOL'd from the manufactorer
>> > and everybody is dumping it to get the next greatest thing.
>>
>> > Then it comes down again after it is ancient history (like Ultra 5/10)
>> > and isn't too usable for the majority of the users compared to other
>> > offerings.
>>
>> Well some one gave me an Ultra-60 and its just about usable, and fun!.
>> However why one would buy SUN AMD based workstations is beyond me. I know
>> the hardware compatibility list for Solaris is not as comprehensive as
>> Linux
>> but
>
> While I agree that the Ultrasparc is a far better choice than the X86,
> until the next generation of Sparc's come on line Sun has little
> choice but too offer the X86. As far as Sun versus anything else,
> consider the build quality. THe IBM/Leveno is cheaper because it is
> cheaply made compared to the Sun. I have 4 very low serial number
> Ultra-24's and compared to the Dell's sitting net to the Ultra-24's
> the Sun's have orders of magnitude better build quality. The Dell's
> with our discount are about 20% more than the equivalent Sun's

I guess as the Lenovo is made in China its "cheaply made" but that does not
mean the quality is poor. The build quality of the ones we get at work seems
excellant, compare to the DELLs and HP boxes that were submitted to our last
round of invation to tender. In fact the Dells seem to be "consumer grade"
boxes .....

Whilst they are not as solid as the Ultra-60 I would say thats over
engineered. For goodness sake you can only get two hard drives in the thing
and its huge. Certainly in the UK the Lenovo/IBM service is still good. On
the odd occasion we do get a faulty one its usually fixed promptly and
expertley...

And as for "dealer discount" well it must be hige looking at the list on the
Sun site.....