In article <1165532764.3243.42.camel@state.g2switchworks.com> ,
smarlowe@g2switchworks.com says...
> On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 02:41, wheel wrote:
> > In article <20061206212608.GN6835@merkur.hilbert.loc>,
> > Karsten.Hilbert@gmx.net says...
> > > On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 12:16:35PM -0800, wheel wrote:
> > >
> > > re Bruce Momjian
> > > > Wow, what an unfriendly dude!
> > > Well, he's one of the very guys who make all this
> > > (PostgreSQL, that is) happen for us.
> > >
> > > Karsten
> > >
> > Yes I know he's a mainstay here, and figured the crew wouldn't want to
> > ruffle his feathers with an admonishment.
>
> Let's add up the score:
>
> Bruce:
> works hard on the pgsql project
> gives selflessly of his time to help newbies
> is a genuinely pleasant guy to hang out with
> shows respect for people.
> is often the voice of moderation in discussions on the list
> has a working email address so I can respond to him if needs be
>
> Some person named "wheel":
> has committed zero time or effort to this project
> has helped no one on the list, including himself
> has been singularly unpleasant to deal with
> shows no respect for those trying to help him
> is a divisive voice on an otherwise pleasant mailing list
> has no working email address, so I cannot be sure he will ever get this.
>
> I notice you didn't reply to my answer to your question. Not a howdy, a
> thanks or a request for clarification.
>
> Please, go use a different database, seriously.
>
Well, I did in fact reply to your first posting in this thread, a good
half day before you wrote the above saying that I had not responded to
you. In that post I made several comments that were meant to try to
repair the tone of this interaction. I guess you didn't see that
posting.

Re your points re Bruce above. While I'm sure he's a fine fellow, sorry,
as far as I'm concerned his attitude and his request that I be
blacklisted until I meet his standards was uncalled for. I did nothing
to incite his anger, nor did I disrespect the database or the experts
here. Yet because I didn't grok the responses I'd gotten, abbreviated
precious terms, and habitually use email and name cloaking, he basically
instructed the list to give me the cold shoulder. I've never seen
anything like that respose on a professional list. I'm entitled to
'defend' myself. But of course I am sorry that somehow asking questions
about restoring a database has lead to such a lame intro to the
community.

Re your comments about myself, from point four on they are just wrong.
I'm not attempting to compete with Bruce re expertise with postgres, I'm
a novice. I was treated roughly by one of the list masters and didn't
like it, but the unplesantness sprung from Bruce's request to blacklist
me. I was just asking about the database! I can't help it if this
interchance has sullied your rosy image of the postgres list, if that's
what 'divisive' is supposed to mean.

You have asked me to go find another database. While that's not likely,
yes this has been very discouraging.

BTW I have tried to subscribe to this list but "The email address you
entered does not appear to be valid." It is a valid yahoo email address.