Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@verizon.net> wrote:
> Peter T. Breuer wrote:

>> Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>No they don't. I have/had one on one of my portable. Both vesa and the
>>>>standard nv worked just fine. And anyway, your advice is bad in
>>>>general, whether or not it applies here, so it's bad advice , and thank
>>>>you. Now just put your advice where your clap is.
>>
>>
>>>Yes, they do. Try the new Toshiba 6100 series of laptop with a screen
>>>resolution over 1280x1024, or a Geforce4 add-on card with a Mitsubishi
>>>2060 monitor at any setting over 800x600.
>>
>>
>> The laptop will need special treatment, but should be fine with the
>> vesa driver (I have two toshibas, and one of them is nvidia, but I
>> forget which one ... anyway, I used vesa with it until a native driver
>> appeared for card, and had no problems). The monitor is irrelevant to
>> the question - you can always run a monitor at any speed you choose up
>> to the cards maximum clock speed.

> Except that the *driver* doesn't support the higher speeds, unless you

The driver can't "not support" higher speeds - it's just a question of
wibbling at the right wobble ratio. Well, your cpu may have some limit,
but since standard pci bandwidth is 133MB/s, and AGP is either twice
or 4 times that, well, anyway, 133MB/s would be about 90 frames/s
at 1024x768 in 16bpp, so you can always run 1024x768 at, say 75
frames/s in ordinary pci at 16bpp, and on the agp bus it's no strain at
all.

What's the driver supposed to be straining with? I.e., any old driver
can do 1024x768 at 75 f/s in 15bpp. We know that - they did so on my
old 486! That would be a clock speed of about 75MHz. Umm. Yes, all
cards in the last 5 years at least have done that speed.

> load the "nvidia" kernel driver and OpenGL libraries instead of merely

Let me put it this way: "I do not believe you when you say that the
ordinary nv driver cannot support a satisfactory video mode".

> the vesa driver. You've clearly never actually gotten the best out of
> your configurations.

Why should I? I don't want "the best"! I want something that works. And
I guess that's why I don't willingly buy nvidia.

>>>Inexperienced git.
>>
>> Keep your rude words to yourself and apply them to yourself. I've
>> invented more modelines than you've had paydays.

> And you've making them up out of the ether, instead of actually getting

Yeah - I make them up out of the ether alright. I put the sync where it
ought to be, and I let the flyback have the time it needs. Just like
what the monitor wants.

Clue: the modeline is all about the monitor, nothing about the card.
Actually, you want the slowest clockspeed that will get you a
satisfactory frame rate for your eyes, because the card electronics is
better the slower it goes and that will give you a steady picture from the
card, and bright pixelization as a bonus, since the electron beam dwells
longer on each pixel.

So make sure you get the "worst" out of your card!

> the best out of Nvidia chipsets.

Peter