Barclay, Daniel <daniel@fgm.com> wrote:
> Why don't you just copy the text and paste it into a message?

Follows. Notice that even the text/plain part is base64 encoded.
Chris


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Chris Davies wrote:
> Barclay, Daniel <daniel@fgm.com> wrote:
>> Why don't you just copy the text and paste it into a message?
>
> Follows. Notice that even the text/plain part is base64 encoded.

Thanks. (And thanks to others who sent me copies.)

Now if I can figure out how to get the mail server configuration fixed ...

Daniel


P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing list
server send me a copy of my own posts? The MajorDomo/SmartList help response
message doesn't says anything about changing that setting.

(Not getting such copies is part of why I didn't notice the HTML-mail problem--and
I wonder how long it has looked that I had my MUA set to do that (how long the
mail server has been configured that way).)

Daniel

On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:33:39AM -0400, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> Chris Davies wrote:
> > Barclay, Daniel <daniel@fgm.com> wrote:
> >> Why don't you just copy the text and paste it into a message?
> >
> > Follows. Notice that even the text/plain part is base64 encoded.
>
> Thanks. (And thanks to others who sent me copies.)
>
> Now if I can figure out how to get the mail server configuration fixed ..
>
> Daniel
>
>
> P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing list
> server send me a copy of my own posts? The MajorDomo/SmartList help response
> message doesn't says anything about changing that setting.

So far as I know, the default is to get copies of everything. Unless
you've changed it otherwise, you should be recieving them. Is you mail
system perhaps seeing them as duplicates and deleting them?

A

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On 07/09/08 10:33, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
[snip]
>
> Now if I can figure out how to get the mail server configuration fixed ..

Replacing Lookout with Postfix would do the trick. Might be a bit
of an upheaval, though...

[snip]
> I wonder how long it has looked that I had my MUA set to do that (how
> long the mail server has been configured that way).)

????

The Debian list manager sends *all* posts to *all* subscribers.

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Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> Chris Davies wrote:
>> Barclay, Daniel <daniel@fgm.com> wrote:
>>> Why don't you just copy the text and paste it into a message?
>> Follows. Notice that even the text/plain part is base64 encoded.
>
> Thanks. (And thanks to others who sent me copies.)
>
> Now if I can figure out how to get the mail server configuration fixed ..
>
> Daniel
>
>
> P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing list
> server send me a copy of my own posts? The MajorDomo/SmartList help response
> message doesn't says anything about changing that setting.
>
> (Not getting such copies is part of why I didn't notice the HTML-mail problem--and
> I wonder how long it has looked that I had my MUA set to do that (how long the
> mail server has been configured that way).)
>
> Daniel
>
>
It's the behaviour of gmail - the bug and the feature simultaneously. Do
you use gmail?
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Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
....
>> P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing list
>> server send me a copy of my own posts? The MajorDomo/SmartList help response
>> message doesn't says anything about changing that setting.
>>
>> (Not getting such copies is part of why I didn't notice the HTML-mail problem--and
>> I wonder how long it has looked that I had my MUA set to do that (how long the
>> mail server has been configured that way).)
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
> It's the behaviour of gmail - the bug and the feature simultaneously. Do
> you use gmail?

No, I'm using SeaMonkey (with POP, it that's relevant.)

Daniel

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:33:39AM -0400, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
....
>>
>> P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing list
>> server send me a copy of my own posts? The MajorDomo/SmartList help response
>> message doesn't says anything about changing that setting.
>
> So far as I know, the default is to get copies of everything. Unless
> you've changed it otherwise, you should be recieving them. Is you mail
> system perhaps seeing them as duplicates and deleting them?

That's a good theory.

Any idea how to confirm that it's the mail server and not my MUA (SeaMonkey
1.1.9, which I don't suspect but would want to rule out)?

Daniel

Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 07/09/08 10:33, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> [snip]
>> Now if I can figure out how to get the mail server configuration fixed ..
>
> Replacing Lookout with Postfix would do the trick.

Did you mean Exchange? (I thought "Lookout" referred to Outlook, which I'm
not using.)

> Might be a bit of an upheaval, though...

Yeah. The best I can probably hope for is that the plain-text-to-HTML
convers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcorruption is configurable in Exchange and somehow I and
others here can convince some powers that be to change it.


> [snip]
>> I wonder how long it has looked that I had my MUA set to do that (how
>> long the mail server has been configured that way).)
>
> ????
>
> The Debian list manager sends *all* posts to *all* subscribers.

Hmm. Yeah, I thought it would be doing that, especially if there's no option
to select whether to do that or not.

Daniel

On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 12:41:57 -0400, Barclay, Daniel (daniel@fgm.com) wrote:

> Any idea how to confirm that it's the mail server and not my MUA (SeaMonkey
> 1.1.9, which I don't suspect but would want to rule out)?

It is the server as far as I can tell. In mutt I just press 'e' to edit
the whole message (in vim in my case) and at the top of the html
section there is:

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Andrew Sackville-West wrote:<BR>
&gt; On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:33:39AM -0400, Barclay, Daniel =
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It even admits to converting it from plain text ;-)

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On 07/09/08 11:40, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>
>> On 07/09/08 10:33, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> Now if I can figure out how to get the mail server configuration fixed ..
>>
>> Replacing Lookout with Postfix would do the trick.
>
> Did you mean Exchange? (I thought "Lookout" referred to Outlook, which I'm
> not using.)

Yes, my bad.

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