Wackojacko wrote:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Dovecot doesn't do sieve.

> There is a plug-in for sieve.

> http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Sieve

> HTH

Hell yeah it helps. Hm, they're compiled in by default in Ubuntu, wonder
if that means Debian too. Also...

http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermai...ay/029069.html

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Steve Lamb wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Of course, it drops mails directly into Maildir folders, so you'd
>> have to tell Dovcot to use Maildir instead of mbox. But that should
>> not be hard.
>
> I was talking about the filters from the client more than the subfolders.
> Dovecot doesn't do sieve.
>
There is a plug-in for sieve.

http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Sieve

HTH

Wackojacko


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On Jul 10, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Steve C. Lamb wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:38:21AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>>> This is why IMAP should be the standard mail store, not mboxes in
>>> "proprietary" locations.
>
>> second that. THe convenience is incredible. Case in point:
>
> Here's another fine example. I use dovecot on my server to
> expose my mbox
> mail via IMAP. Here are the locations from where I regularly check
> my mail:


We really gotta get you over to Maildir someday, Steve. ;-)

Then you can back up mail directories with thinks like rdiff and not
pull in the whole mbox file into the backup again. Just the new
mail. (GRIN)

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Nate Duehr wrote:
> We really gotta get you over to Maildir someday, Steve. ;-)
>
> Then you can back up mail directories with thinks like rdiff and not
> pull in the whole mbox file into the backup again. Just the new
> mail. (GRIN)

While I do think Maildir is a lot better than mbox, applications like
rsync, rdiff-backup, etc, copy only what's changed in files, so
rsync'ing a mbox is actually efficient.

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Nate Duehr wrote:
> We really gotta get you over to Maildir someday, Steve. ;-)

Uh, no, thanks. I far prefer mbox's problems to maildir's.

> Then you can back up mail directories with thinks like rdiff and not
> pull in the whole mbox file into the backup again. Just the new mail.
> (GRIN)

Huh? You do realize that diff does work on individiual lines in a file
so effectively no difference.


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On 07/12/08 18:46, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Nate Duehr wrote:
>> We really gotta get you over to Maildir someday, Steve. ;-)
>
> Uh, no, thanks. I far prefer mbox's problems to maildir's.

Maybe it's because I keep d-u messages is semi-annual history
folders so directories never get above 10,000 files, but what
problems do Maildirs have?

Needing to open many files instead of one?

I'll take that over an errant EOF wiping out a large chunk of a
directory.

Yes I can restore from backup, but
(a) the bug that caused the errant EOF is still there, and
(b) bringing back the back-up emails without introducing duplicates
or overwriting new mails is a hassle.

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Ron Johnson wrote:
> Maybe it's because I keep d-u messages is semi-annual history
> folders so directories never get above 10,000 files, but what
> problems do Maildirs have?

> Needing to open many files instead of one?

Needing to deal with that many files in any capacity, ever. I've
had the displeasure of being the administrator of a qmail setup that
would accept all mail (smtp-time rejection, what's that!?) then filter
then generate bounces to bogus email addresses in spam. Yeah, 50,000
maildir queues that take 20 minutes to stat are no fun. That pretty
much swore me off that idiotic idea.

> I'll take that over an errant EOF wiping out a large chunk of a
> directory.

Let's see. I've been using mbox since the early 90s with my first
Netcom account and elm. Or was it late 80s? Anyway, let's just say
about 15 years. In that time know how many EOF problems I've hit in all
of my mail in 15 years?

0.

I've had 2 hard drives take a nosedive on me in that time.

Or not to put too fine a point on it, opening up one maildir
directory with more than, say, 2000 messages in it will have wasted more
time than I have ever had wasted by "errant EOFs".

> Yes I can restore from backup, but
> (a) the bug that caused the errant EOF is still there, and

Or in my case, not. I guess you could say that the bug that caused
my hard-drive to eat itself is still there...

> (b) bringing back the back-up emails without introducing duplicates
> or overwriting new mails is a hassle.

Not so much any more. Pull out archives, merge, run "remove
duplicates" tool, done. But then, I haven't had to do that, either,
since when I lose my mail stores to hard drive failures I generally am
no concerned about the "merge" portion.


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On 07/13/08 04:14, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Maybe it's because I keep d-u messages is semi-annual history
>> folders so directories never get above 10,000 files, but what
>> problems do Maildirs have?
>
>> Needing to open many files instead of one?
>
> Needing to deal with that many files in any capacity, ever. I've
> had the displeasure of being the administrator of a qmail setup that
> would accept all mail (smtp-time rejection, what's that!?) then filter
> then generate bounces to bogus email addresses in spam. Yeah, 50,000
> maildir queues that take 20 minutes to stat are no fun. That pretty
> much swore me off that idiotic idea.

That's qmail's fault, not that of Maildir.

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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:35:46AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Hell yeah it helps. Hm, they're compiled in by default in Ubuntu, wonder
> if that means Debian too. Also...

For the record it is compiled in on the Debian version of dovecot.

> http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermai...ay/029069.html

> ...Wewt, TBird Sieve extensions! I know what I'm going to be playing with
> this weekend! Thanks!

Unfortunately this is bare bones, the scripts need to be handwritten. I
was hoping for an inteface similar to TBird's internal filtering. IE,
something parent friendly.

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Hallo Jochen,

Am 2008-07-14 00:31:03, schrieb Jochen Schulz:
> I don't see a problem with several thousand files in one directory:

Me too

> # echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
>
> $ time ls -1 ~/Maildir/.debian.user/cur | wc -l
> 10997
>
> real 0m2.529s
> user 0m0.284s
> sys 0m0.332s
>
> $ du -hs ~/Maildir/.debian.user/cur
> 87M .

My "~/Maildir/.ML_devel.linux-kernel@vger_kernel_org/cur" has currently
153.000 messages with arround 3 GByte and even mutt open it localy in
less then 4 minutes without "hcache"

> The first line flushes the filesystem cache. Subsequent runs take about
> 0.3 seconds. Filesystem is XFS on a 2.6.18 kernel from etch. It
> shouldn't be significantly worse with ext3 (at least when it is created
> with -O dir_index).

I am using ext3 and used "tune2fs" to add the "dir_index" which
increased the speed by faktor 6. I should note, that I am already using
a Raid-1 with two 74 GByte SCA drives plus Hotfix of 15.000 RpM.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
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