I just installed Debian and testing it right now.
One big problem is that the nice looking Evoluation mail program
doesn't work!? All seems fine but the "send /receive" button is grayed
out. I am pretty sure all is configured well since I used another
version of it under Ubuntu without problems.
Suggestions, please, must I try to send via a terminal or anything else I
can try?

Pan
I am using "pan" newsreader looks pretty good too, what I cannot find here
is an option to download all headers AND messages for off-line use.
Since I often use my laptop on hotspots I really must have such option.

Thanks

Edmund

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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:22:33 +0000, Edmund wrote:

> I just installed Debian and testing it right now. One big problem is
> that the nice looking Evoluation mail program doesn't work!? All seems
> fine but the "send /receive" button is grayed out. I am pretty sure all
> is configured well since I used another version of it under Ubuntu
> without problems. Suggestions, please, must I try to send via a terminal
> or anything else I can try?

Click file => work online

> Pan
> I am using "pan" newsreader looks pretty good too, what I cannot find
> here is an option to download all headers AND messages for off-line use.
> Since I often use my laptop on hotspots I really must have such option.

You can install fetchnews


> Thanks
>
> Edmund



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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:07:55 +0200, repo wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:22:33 +0000, Edmund wrote:

> You can install fetchnews

off course I ment leafnode or another NNTP server

>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Edmund



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On 07/06/2007 06:22 AM, Edmund wrote:
> I just installed Debian and testing it right now.
> One big problem is that the nice looking Evoluation mail program
> doesn't work!? All seems fine but the "send /receive" button is grayed
> out. I am pretty sure all is configured well since I used another
> version of it under Ubuntu without problems.
> Suggestions, please, must I try to send via a terminal or anything else I
> can try?
>

Evolution works here. Go into "Tools/ Settings" and enter the
information that needed in the various sections. Probably Ubuntu enters
this data for you, but Debian does not.

> Pan
> I am using "pan" newsreader looks pretty good too, what I cannot find here
> is an option to download all headers AND messages for off-line use.
> Since I often use my laptop on hotspots I really must have such option.
>
> Thanks
>
> Edmund
>

Pan (0.13-0.14) definitely supports offline news reading without needing
other software; however, the fact that Pan has no manual can be a
challenge for newcomers.

As Repo said, you can switch between online and offline modes using the
menu option "File/Work Online."

It's been a while since I've used Pan, but I remember setting up filters
to download newsgroup messages. Pan is a complicated newsreader, and
there are many ways to do things in it.

You can have filters download the messages you want. You can select
groups of messages to be downloaded--then download them. You can tell
Pan to download all messages in any newsgroup you enter.

Hunt through the menus and carefully read the tooltips. That's probably
how I learned to use Pan.

However, I stopped using Pan in favor of Thunderbird
<http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/> since Thunderbird has a
manual and is more stable.

Good luck.

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:07:55 +0200, repo wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:22:33 +0000, Edmund wrote:
>
>> I just installed Debian and testing it right now. One big problem is
>> that the nice looking Evoluation mail program doesn't work!? All seems
>> fine but the "send /receive" button is grayed out. I am pretty sure all
>> is configured well since I used another version of it under Ubuntu
>> without problems. Suggestions, please, must I try to send via a terminal
>> or anything else I can try?
>
> Click file => work online

Great, how could I have missed that one :-)
>
>

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[snip]
>> > I am using "pan" newsreader looks pretty good too, what I
cannot find
>> here
>> > is an option to download all headers AND messages for off-line use.
>> > Since I often use my laptop on hotspots I really must have such
>> > option.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Edmund
>> >
>> >
>> Pan (0.13-0.14) definitely supports offline news reading without
>> needing other software; however, the fact that Pan has no manual can be
>> a challenge for newcomers.
>
> My Version does not have these features, why is version 0.13-0.14 not
> under the synaptic thing? Or must I search for other servers?
>>
>>
>>

Edmund, you didn't state what Debian version you installed, was it etch?
Do you have Pan version .119-1? Pan version 0.14 is from sarge, that's why
you might not find it listed in the synaptic package manager, if you are
using etch repositories.

Are you saying that, in Pan, in the preferences, there is no option to
"Download new headers and bodies from suscribed groups when starting Pan"?
One wouldn't expect the maintainer to remove such a useful option when
upgrading to a newer version. I'm posting this from sarge with Pan .14 and
it's in this version.

That would be fine for a broadband connection but would take a while if
one was suscribed to a lot of newsgroups and would require some disk
space. I use Pan but just download the ones I choose to read for offline,
but you may want them all. Any message bodies you download to read are
available for offline viewing. I assume you haven't optioned it to clear
the cache when exiting.


[snip]
>> However, I stopped using Pan in favor of Thunderbird
>> <http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/> since Thunderbird has a
>> manual and is more stable.
>
> OK I have dowloaded that now how do I install that myself? I unpacked
> the tar.gz file in a folder. I see an mozilla install.bin But it did not
> install.
> Must I use the terminal and "./configure" and "make" ?
>
>
>

Since you mentioned synaptic (a GUI package manager front end) and don't
seem experienced at installing, I'm assuming you're new at this, so I
don't understand why you didn't use the package manager to install
Thunderbird (or Icedove). That way the package manager will know about it
being installed, put it in the necessary location for Debian and it will
get security upgrades along with your other Debian packages. If you need
the latest, newest version direct from Mozilla then you'll have to keep it
up-to-date manually, are you sure that is what you want to do? There's
nothing wrong with doing it that way as long as you realise what is
involved.

I don't know why Mumia W doesn't consider Pan stable, I've never had any
stability issues with it and personally I like it better than TBird as a
newsreader but you can choose what works best for you.

Rodney

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:26:01 -0700, Rodney wrote:

> [snip]

> Are you saying that, in Pan, in the preferences, there is no option to
> "Download new headers and bodies from suscribed groups when starting
> Pan"? One wouldn't expect the maintainer to remove such a useful option
> when upgrading to a newer version. I'm posting this from sarge with Pan
> .14 and it's in this version.

I use Pan 0.131, and there is no option to download the body's, only
headers

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On 07/08/2007 03:42 AM, Edmund wrote:
> In message <yuvji.5207$zA4.2444@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink. net>, "Mumia W."
> wrote:
>> [...]
>> You can have filters download the messages you want. You can select
>> groups of messages to be downloaded--then download them. You can tell
>> Pan to download all messages in any newsgroup you enter.
>>
>> Hunt through the menus and carefully read the tooltips. That's probably
>> how I learned to use Pan.
>
> Don't see these options or filters.

Pan 0.119 refers to a downloaded article as a "cached" article. "Cache"
an article to download it for offline use.

However, I can't find any filters in Pan 0.119. According to the
website, they rewrote (or massively restructured) the program.

Like I said:

>> However, I stopped using Pan in favor of Thunderbird
>> <http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/> since Thunderbird has a
>> manual and is more stable.
>
> OK I have dowloaded that now how do I install that myself?
> I unpacked the tar.gz file in a folder. I see an mozilla install.bin
> But it did not install.
> Must I use the terminal and "./configure" and "make" ?
> [...]

Repo gave you good advise. Just double-clicking on "install.sh" might
work, but I don't know. I've always installed from a terminal.

repo wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:42:48 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>
>> In message <yuvji.5207$zA4.2444@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
>> "Mumia W." wrote:
>>> On 07/06/2007 06:22 AM, Edmund wrote:
>
> do chmod +x insttall.bin
> ./install.bin
>
>>
>> OK I have dowloaded that now how do I install that myself? I unpacked
>> the tar.gz file in a folder. I see an mozilla install.bin But it did not
>> install.
>> Must I use the terminal and "./configure" and "make" ?
>>
>
> do :
> chmod +x install.bin
> ./install.bin

Oops my mistake, in the thunderbird folder there is no install.bin
there is a "mozilla-installer-bin"
No idea what to do with it.

The "help" on the website is funny, click the mozilla file, yeah right!

Edmund

Mumia W. wrote:

> On 07/08/2007 03:42 AM, Edmund wrote:
>> In message <yuvji.5207$zA4.2444@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink. net>, "Mumia
>> W." wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> You can have filters download the messages you want. You can select
>>> groups of messages to be downloaded--then download them. You can tell
>>> Pan to download all messages in any newsgroup you enter.
>>>
>>> Hunt through the menus and carefully read the tooltips. That's probably
>>> how I learned to use Pan.
>>
>> Don't see these options or filters.
>
> Pan 0.119 refers to a downloaded article as a "cached" article. "Cache"
> an article to download it for offline use.


Thanks I just found that and I can indeed select all articles and
"cache" them. However I would have preferred an option "download
headers and messages".
>
> However, I can't find any filters in Pan 0.119. According to the
> website, they rewrote (or massively restructured) the program.
>
> Like I said:
>
>>> However, I stopped using Pan in favor of Thunderbird
>>> <http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/> since Thunderbird has a
>>> manual and is more stable.
>>
>> OK I have dowloaded that now how do I install that myself?
>> I unpacked the tar.gz file in a folder. I see an mozilla install.bin
>> But it did not install.
>> Must I use the terminal and "./configure" and "make" ?
>> [...]
>
> Repo gave you good advise. Just double-clicking on "install.sh" might
> work, but I don't know. I've always installed from a terminal.

I don't see an install.sh and there is no information about installing
under linx on there website.

What I do see is an "mozilla-installer-bin" what do I do with that?

Edmund