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Neil Ellwood wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:19:53 +0200, Martin Hofherr wrote:
>
>> Hello Everybody,
>>
>> I recently installed Debian Etch with a 2.6.18-amd64 Kernel on my Dell
>> Dimension C521. Everything works fine except that from time to time the
>> keyboard and/or the mouse freeze. It is still possible to log in via ssh
>> but I can't restart kdm or X. Can this have to do with my Asus wl-167g
>> wireless-lan adaptor(ralink rt73 chipset)? Neither /var/log/Xorg.0.log
>> nor /var/log/messages report any error.
>>
>> Thanks, Martin
>
> This may or even may not help but is worth a try if you don't mind re-
> installing.
>
> When you put your first disc in and restart wait until the first screen
> and then press F1 - try install noapic nolapic and press enter.
>
> HTH
Hi Neil, thanks for your reply I'm going to try that. When I
installed I used the option acpi=off. Could this also have an
effect on this problem?

Martin

Hello Everybody,

I recently installed Debian Etch with a 2.6.18-amd64 Kernel on my Dell
Dimension C521. Everything works fine except that from time to time
the keyboard and/or the mouse freeze. It is still possible to log in via
ssh but I can't restart kdm or X. Can this have to do with my Asus
wl-167g wireless-lan adaptor(ralink rt73 chipset)? Neither
/var/log/Xorg.0.log nor /var/log/messages report any error.

Thanks, Martin

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:19:53 +0200, Martin Hofherr wrote:

> Hello Everybody,
>
> I recently installed Debian Etch with a 2.6.18-amd64 Kernel on my Dell
> Dimension C521. Everything works fine except that from time to time the
> keyboard and/or the mouse freeze. It is still possible to log in via ssh
> but I can't restart kdm or X. Can this have to do with my Asus wl-167g
> wireless-lan adaptor(ralink rt73 chipset)? Neither /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> nor /var/log/messages report any error.
>
> Thanks, Martin

This may or even may not help but is worth a try if you don't mind re-
installing.

When you put your first disc in and restart wait until the first screen
and then press F1 - try install noapic nolapic and press enter.

HTH
--
Neil
reverse ra and delete l
Linux user 335851

On 24 Apr., 09:11, Neil Ellwood <cral.elllwo...@bt.openworld.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:59:46 +0200, MartinH wrote:
> > Neil Ellwood wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:19:53 +0200, Martin Hofherr wrote:
>
> >>> Hello Everybody,
>
> >>> I recently installed Debian Etch with a 2.6.18-amd64 Kernel on my Dell
> >>> Dimension C521. Everything works fine except that from time to time
> >>> the keyboard and/or the mouse freeze. It is still possible to log in
> >>> via ssh but I can't restart kdm or X. Can this have to do with my Asus
> >>> wl-167g wireless-lan adaptor(ralink rt73 chipset)? Neither
> >>> /var/log/Xorg.0.log nor /var/log/messages report any error.
>
> >>> Thanks, Martin
>
> >> This may or even may not help but is worth a try if you don't mind re-
> >> installing.
>
> >> When you put your first disc in and restart wait until the first screen
> >> and then press F1 - try install noapic nolapic and press enter.
>
> >> HTH
> > Hi Neil, thanks for your reply I'm going to try that. When I installed I
> > used the option acpi=off. Could this also have an effect on this
> > problem?
>
> > Martin
>
> Yes it can help - helped me. Trust Dell to do things in its own wat like
> ms. As you might guess mine is a Dimension 521 as well.
> --
> Neil
> reverse ra and delete l
> Linux user 335851

I reinstalled Debian now with the parameters
noapic nolapic acpi=off

And again... after two hours the mouse suddenly froze. Only this time
I was still
able to use the keyboard.

Have you installed 64 bit or 32 bit version?

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:59:46 +0200, MartinH wrote:

> Neil Ellwood wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:19:53 +0200, Martin Hofherr wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everybody,
>>>
>>> I recently installed Debian Etch with a 2.6.18-amd64 Kernel on my Dell
>>> Dimension C521. Everything works fine except that from time to time
>>> the keyboard and/or the mouse freeze. It is still possible to log in
>>> via ssh but I can't restart kdm or X. Can this have to do with my Asus
>>> wl-167g wireless-lan adaptor(ralink rt73 chipset)? Neither
>>> /var/log/Xorg.0.log nor /var/log/messages report any error.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Martin
>>
>> This may or even may not help but is worth a try if you don't mind re-
>> installing.
>>
>> When you put your first disc in and restart wait until the first screen
>> and then press F1 - try install noapic nolapic and press enter.
>>
>> HTH
> Hi Neil, thanks for your reply I'm going to try that. When I installed I
> used the option acpi=off. Could this also have an effect on this
> problem?
>
> Martin
Yes it can help - helped me. Trust Dell to do things in its own wat like
ms. As you might guess mine is a Dimension 521 as well.
--
Neil
reverse ra and delete l
Linux user 335851

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:14:52 -0700, martin.hofherr wrote:

> On 24 Apr., 09:11, Neil Ellwood <cral.elllwo...@bt.openworld.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:59:46 +0200, MartinH wrote:
>> > Neil Ellwood wrote:
>>
>> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:19:53 +0200, Martin Hofherr wrote:
>>
>> >>> Hello Everybody,
>>
>> >>> I recently installed Debian Etch with a 2.6.18-amd64 Kernel on my
>> >>> Dell Dimension C521. Everything works fine except that from time to
>> >>> time the keyboard and/or the mouse freeze. It is still possible to
>> >>> log in via ssh but I can't restart kdm or X. Can this have to do
>> >>> with my Asus wl-167g wireless-lan adaptor(ralink rt73 chipset)?
>> >>> Neither /var/log/Xorg.0.log nor /var/log/messages report any error.
>>
>> >>> Thanks, Martin
>>
>> >> This may or even may not help but is worth a try if you don't mind
>> >> re- installing.
>>
>> >> When you put your first disc in and restart wait until the first
>> >> screen and then press F1 - try install noapic nolapic and press
>> >> enter.
>>
>> >> HTH
>> > Hi Neil, thanks for your reply I'm going to try that. When I
>> > installed I used the option acpi=off. Could this also have an effect
>> > on this problem?
>>
>> > Martin
>>
>> Yes it can help - helped me. Trust Dell to do things in its own wat
>> like ms. As you might guess mine is a Dimension 521 as well. --
>> Neil
>> reverse ra and delete l
>> Linux user 335851
>
> I reinstalled Debian now with the parameters noapic nolapic acpi=off
>
> And again... after two hours the mouse suddenly froze. Only this time I
> was still
> able to use the keyboard.
>
> Have you installed 64 bit or 32 bit version?
64 bit. but am trying 'Ubuntu' with xfce at the moment and it doesn't
look as though I will keep it very long. Not a patch on Debian. I find
that I am not keeping the computer running as long as I used to so maybe
that is why it didn't happen to the last time I ran Debian (last week).
--
Neil
reverse ra and delete l
Linux user 335851

martin.hofherr@googlemail.com wrote:


> I reinstalled Debian now with the parameters
> noapic nolapic acpi=off
>
> And again... after two hours the mouse suddenly froze. Only this time
> I was still
> able to use the keyboard.


Are you using a battery-powered mouse?


--
John

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On 24 Apr., 17:08, "John F. Morse" <xanadu....@example.invalid> wrote:
> martin.hofh...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > I reinstalled Debian now with the parameters
> > noapic nolapic acpi=off
>
> > And again... after two hours the mouse suddenly froze. Only this time
> > I was still
> > able to use the keyboard.
>
> Are you using a battery-powered mouse?
>
> --
> John
>
> No Microsoft, Apple, Intel, Trend Micro, nor Ford products were used in the preparation or transmission of this message.
>
> The EULA sounds like it was written by a team of lawyers who want to tell me what I can't do. The GPL sounds like it was written by a human being, who wants me to know what I can do.

I'd wish it was only a battery problem :-), but it's the standard
cable dell mouse.

On 24 Apr., 18:13, Neil Ellwood <cral.elllwo...@bt.openworld.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:14:52 -0700, martin.hofherr wrote:
> > On 24 Apr., 09:11, Neil Ellwood <cral.elllwo...@bt.openworld.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:59:46 +0200, MartinH wrote:
> >> > Neil Ellwood wrote:
>
> >> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:19:53 +0200, Martin Hofherr wrote:
>
> >> >>> Hello Everybody,
>
> >> >>> I recently installed Debian Etch with a 2.6.18-amd64 Kernel on my
> >> >>> Dell Dimension C521. Everything works fine except that from time to
> >> >>> time the keyboard and/or the mouse freeze. It is still possible to
> >> >>> log in via ssh but I can't restart kdm or X. Can this have to do
> >> >>> with my Asus wl-167g wireless-lan adaptor(ralink rt73 chipset)?
> >> >>> Neither /var/log/Xorg.0.log nor /var/log/messages report any error.
>
> >> >>> Thanks, Martin
>
> >> >> This may or even may not help but is worth a try if you don't mind
> >> >> re- installing.
>
> >> >> When you put your first disc in and restart wait until the first
> >> >> screen and then press F1 - try install noapic nolapic and press
> >> >> enter.
>
> >> >> HTH
> >> > Hi Neil, thanks for your reply I'm going to try that. When I
> >> > installed I used the option acpi=off. Could this also have an effect
> >> > on this problem?
>
> >> > Martin
>
> >> Yes it can help - helped me. Trust Dell to do things in its own wat
> >> like ms. As you might guess mine is a Dimension 521 as well. --
> >> Neil
> >> reverse ra and delete l
> >> Linux user 335851
>
> > I reinstalled Debian now with the parameters noapic nolapic acpi=off
>
> > And again... after two hours the mouse suddenly froze. Only this time I
> > was still
> > able to use the keyboard.
>
> > Have you installed 64 bit or 32 bit version?
>
> 64 bit. but am trying 'Ubuntu' with xfce at the moment and it doesn't
> look as though I will keep it very long. Not a patch on Debian. I find
> that I am not keeping the computer running as long as I used to so maybe
> that is why it didn't happen to the last time I ran Debian (last week).
> --
> Neil
> reverse ra and delete l
> Linux user 335851
I'm going to try fedora on another partition of my hd and see if I get
the same problem
there...

martin.hofherr@googlemail.com wrote:
> On 24 Apr., 17:08, "John F. Morse" <xanadu....@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>> martin.hofh...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I reinstalled Debian now with the parameters
>>> noapic nolapic acpi=off
>>>
>>> And again... after two hours the mouse suddenly froze. Only this time
>>> I was still
>>> able to use the keyboard.
>>>
>> Are you using a battery-powered mouse?
>>
>
> I'd wish it was only a battery problem :-), but it's the standard
> cable dell mouse.
>


I know that probably appeared as a stupid question, but you can never
tell. ;-)

My battery mice frequently die, but they come back to life if I don't
move them for a short period. That gives the batteries (actually
"cells") a short rest.

Another oddity I sometimes fight is my KVM switches will cause the mice
to become "lost" as far as the X11 is concerned. One KVM uses a
USB-PS/2 adapter, and the other KVM is all PS/2. Still, some mice, on
some distros, can become lost, requiring a plug pull and reinsertion so
the OS can again see the mouse.

I'd suggest you isolate the mouse from the PC by using a spare mouse.
See if the mouse is the problem, or something else (hardware or OS).

Also check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf for a stanza similar to one of the
following:


For a mouse on a Debian 4.0 Etch PC using xorg.conf:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "CorePointer"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
EndSection


For a mouse on another Debian 4.0 Etch PC using xorg.conf:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "CorePointer"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
EndSection


For various mice on a Debian 3.1 Sarge box using XF86Config-4:

Identifier "Mouse1"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"


For a Logitech MouseMan Cordless on a Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS box using xorg.conf:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "CorePointer"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
EndSection


The important things are the "Device" and the "Protocol" arguments.

The "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" is for the scroll wheel, but as you can see,
the Debian Sarge boxes don't need this (and they work fine).

I'm not suspecting software however, since you mouse does work -- for
awhile. Maybe a heat-related thing, like the motherboard, or your hand
warming up the mouse after a couple of hours? Try using a fan to isolate
the problem: Cool the mouse and see if it starts working again.

You might tail some logs and see if there is a message generated.

tail -f /var/log/messages

tail -f /var/log/syslog

Also examine Xorg.0.log ( less /var/log/Xorg.0.log ) for anything unusual.

You can also run xev from a terminal and watch what is transpiring when
you mouse around in the xev window that opens. Use
Symantec/Adept/apt-get to install this handy discovery utility.

It is xev in the Ubuntu repositories, and in Debian's repositories it is
part of the xbase-clients package.


--
John

No Microsoft, Apple, Intel, Trend Micro, nor Ford products were used in the preparation or transmission of this message.

The EULA sounds like it was written by a team of lawyers who want to tell me what I can't do. The GPL sounds like it was written by a human being, who wants me to know what I can do.