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When I try an upgrade of my 8.04, it says:

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Building tag database... Done
The following packages have been automatically kept back:
gnome-panel language-support-writing-ru
The following packages have been kept back:
f-spot gnome-applets grub initramfs-tools linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
linux-restricted-modules-generic udev xserver-xorg
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Building tag database... Done

Why is it keeping back those packages?
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On Sun, 04 May 2008 09:58:25 -0500, Ignoramus11115 wrote:

> When I try an upgrade of my 8.04, it says:
....snip...
> Why is it keeping back those packages?

Package database requires something not requested. Execute

apt-get dist-upgrade

"Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com> wrote in message
newsan.2008.05.04.15.34.14.330017@yahoo.com...
> On Sun, 04 May 2008 09:58:25 -0500, Ignoramus11115 wrote:
>
>> When I try an upgrade of my 8.04, it says:
> ...snip...
>> Why is it keeping back those packages?
>
> Package database requires something not requested. Execute
>
> apt-get dist-upgrade

That's not necessary. It keeps back any packages which get split, or which
require the introduction of previously absent packages (e.g. when a package
gains a new dependency). This is because it is trying to keep "upgrade"
meaning just that - upgrade installed packages, but don't install new ones.
You'll find that if you do "apt-get install packages" on the packages which
have been kept back, that will pull in all the additional new packages and
complete the upgrade(s).

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On 2008-05-06, Magnate <not@receiving.here> wrote:
> "Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2008.05.04.15.34.14.330017@yahoo.com...
>> On Sun, 04 May 2008 09:58:25 -0500, Ignoramus11115 wrote:
>>
>>> When I try an upgrade of my 8.04, it says:
>> ...snip...
>>> Why is it keeping back those packages?
>>
>> Package database requires something not requested. Execute
>>
>> apt-get dist-upgrade
>
> That's not necessary. It keeps back any packages which get split, or which
> require the introduction of previously absent packages (e.g. when a package
> gains a new dependency). This is because it is trying to keep "upgrade"
> meaning just that - upgrade installed packages, but don't install new ones.
> You'll find that if you do "apt-get install packages" on the packages which
> have been kept back, that will pull in all the additional new packages and
> complete the upgrade(s).
>

I think that this is what was missing. thanks

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On Tue, 06 May 2008 13:30:25 +0100, Magnate wrote:

> "Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2008.05.04.15.34.14.330017@yahoo.com...
>> On Sun, 04 May 2008 09:58:25 -0500, Ignoramus11115 wrote:
>>
>>> When I try an upgrade of my 8.04, it says:
>> ...snip...
>>> Why is it keeping back those packages?
>>
>> Package database requires something not requested. Execute
>>
>> apt-get dist-upgrade
>
> That's not necessary.

That is one of the steps directed by the update tool and it sometimes
works.

"Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com>
> On Tue, 06 May 2008 13:30:25 +0100, Magnate wrote:
>> "Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> On Sun, 04 May 2008 09:58:25 -0500, Ignoramus11115 wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I try an upgrade of my 8.04, it says:
>>> ...snip...
>>>> Why is it keeping back those packages?
>>>
>>> Package database requires something not requested. Execute
>>>
>>> apt-get dist-upgrade
>>
>> That's not necessary.
>
> That is one of the steps directed by the update tool and it sometimes
> works.

Indeed. I don't disagree with that at all, I'm just pointing out that it's
not necessary. "dist-upgrade" is a whole lot more than plain old "upgrade",
and you don't need to do it just because "upgrade" holds back a few
packages. You can use apt-get install for those packages instead.

CC

On Thu, 08 May 2008 13:43:38 +0100, Magnate wrote:
> "Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com>
>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 13:30:25 +0100, Magnate wrote:
>>> "Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>> apt-get dist-upgrade
>>>
>>> That's not necessary.
>>
>> That is one of the steps directed by the update tool and it sometimes
>> works.
>
> Indeed. I don't disagree with that at all, I'm just pointing out that it's
> not necessary. "dist-upgrade" is a whole lot more than plain old "upgrade",
> and you don't need to do it just because "upgrade" holds back a few
> packages. You can use apt-get install for those packages instead.

Two days ago I had about 30 packages held back. Should I have run
apt-get install for each of them? : >

"Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com> wrote
> On Thu, 08 May 2008 13:43:38 +0100, Magnate wrote:
>> "Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com>
>>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 13:30:25 +0100, Magnate wrote:
>>>> "Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>>>>> apt-get dist-upgrade
>>>>
>>>> That's not necessary.
>>>
>>> That is one of the steps directed by the update tool and it sometimes
>>> works.
>>
>> Indeed. I don't disagree with that at all, I'm just pointing out that
>> it's
>> not necessary. "dist-upgrade" is a whole lot more than plain old
>> "upgrade",
>> and you don't need to do it just because "upgrade" holds back a few
>> packages. You can use apt-get install for those packages instead.
>
> Two days ago I had about 30 packages held back. Should I have run
> apt-get install for each of them? : >

I get this quite often - it usually boils down to three or four key installs
of high-level packages which then pull in many of the others (kde, kdm,
kdesktop are obvious candidates). Occasionally I have to do a dozen or so
installs to tidy up all the small fry, so maybe it would be better if I got
to grips with dist-upgrade instead.

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On Wed, 14 May 2008 14:20:21 +0100, Magnate wrote:

> I get this quite often - it usually boils down to three or four key
> installs of high-level packages which then pull in many of the others
> (kde, kdm, kdesktop are obvious candidates). Occasionally I have to do a
> dozen or so installs to tidy up all the small fry, so maybe it would be
> better if I got to grips with dist-upgrade instead.

apt-get dist-upgrade does no harm and it may solve the problem - in fact
it usually does.

"Ignoramus11115" <ignoramus11115@NOSPAM.11115.invalid> wrote in message
news:Yq2dnQ4mpr6MUoDVnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> When I try an upgrade of my 8.04, it says:
>
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Reading extended state information
> Initializing package states... Done
> Building tag database... Done
> The following packages have been automatically kept back:
> gnome-panel language-support-writing-ru
> The following packages have been kept back:
> f-spot gnome-applets grub initramfs-tools linux-generic
> linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
> linux-restricted-modules-generic udev xserver-xorg
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Reading extended state information
> Initializing package states... Done
> Building tag database... Done
>
> Why is it keeping back those packages?
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