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Vahis wrote:

> On 2008-05-05, Darrell Stec <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote:
>> Vahis wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-05-05, Riberto <riberto@ml1.net> wrote:
>>>> I have been a Suse Linux user for several years now.
>>>> Currently use OpenSuse 10.3 looking forward to 11.0
>>>>
>>>> For work I HAVE to use that other stuff cause my Company uses some
>>>> programs written for that stuff and we ARE required to use it WITH OUT
>>>> messing with it!
>>>>
>>>> Heck its their money so what can I say!!!
>>>>
> <snip>
>>>> Is there a program or a way to adjust any of these popular web browsers
>>>> to emulate Internet Explorer?
>>>> There are times I need to access these sites for WORK and hate to
>>>> switch over to the WRONG side of my laptop's partition.
> <snip>
>>> You can run IE in Linux with wine:
>>> http://www.winehq.org/
>>>
>>> Or you can run the whole windows in Linux with VMware.
>>> I've made instructions to put it in openSUSE:
>>>
>>> http://waxborg.servepics.com/english...vmware.en.html
>>>
>>> There's also VirtualBox, included in openSUSE which does the same thing.
>>> I've been happy with VMware, so I've got no experience with the latter.
>>>
>>> I'd reckon just for the browser, use Wine
>>>
>>> Vahis
>>
>> But that requires that they purchase Winders.
>
> This was a company in question who requires windows IE?
> They don't want Linux?
> So they phey pay?
>
>
>> And none of those virtual
>> machines will work with many modern computers because the manufacturers
>> do not provide Windows disks anymore.
>
> None will work? Where did you get that from?
>
> And sure windowses can be bought.
>

But that is the whole point. They already purchased Windows once with the
machine, just like I did with mine. The purchase price was built in. When
there are no disks and only an all or nothing recovery partition then
virtual machines are of no use. To use Windows they must purchase a second
copy on disk.

So yes Windows can be purchased but with a VM it gets bought twice.

>> A great many of them have a restoration
>> partition that wipes out the harddrive and restores the computer to its
>> pristine, just bought condition. Even if the VM is free, it is going to
>> cause an outlay of cash for the Winders disks.
>
> Virtual machine gives a disk image to the guest OS who takes it as a disk.
> It also provides it with the rest of the virtual hardware.
> The guest won't touch the rest of the disk. It does not even know there's
> life outside this virtual machine.
>

But doesn't Windows have to be installed on the Linux partition or are you
saying that with a dual boot setup, a virtual machine talks to the Windows
partition from the Linux partition?

I didn't think that was the case.

>
> Vahis

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Darrell Stec wrote:

>> And sure windowses can be bought.
>>
>
> But that is the whole point. They already purchased Windows once with the
> machine, just like I did with mine. The purchase price was built in. When
> there are no disks and only an all or nothing recovery partition then
> virtual machines are of no use. To use Windows they must purchase a second
> copy on disk.
>
> So yes Windows can be purchased but with a VM it gets bought twice.

Just install from a 'copy' of a regular Windows install disk. The
important point, legally, is whether you have a license to use it or
not. If one came with your original machine then you should be fine
provided you haven't used that license to install it elsewhere due to M$
'one install per license' policy. The install media is fairly
irrelevant, it's the usage license you need to worry about, which you
already have so no need to buy a second one!

On 2008-05-06, Darrell Stec <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote:
> Vahis wrote:
>
>> On 2008-05-05, Darrell Stec <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote:
>>> Vahis wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2008-05-05, Riberto <riberto@ml1.net> wrote:
>>>>> I have been a Suse Linux user for several years now.
>>>>> Currently use OpenSuse 10.3 looking forward to 11.0
>>>>>
>>>>> For work I HAVE to use that other stuff cause my Company uses some
>>>>> programs written for that stuff and we ARE required to use it WITH OUT
>>>>> messing with it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Heck its their money so what can I say!!!
>>>>>
>> <snip>
>>>>> Is there a program or a way to adjust any of these popular web browsers
>>>>> to emulate Internet Explorer?
>>>>> There are times I need to access these sites for WORK and hate to
>>>>> switch over to the WRONG side of my laptop's partition.
>> <snip>
>>>> You can run IE in Linux with wine:
>>>> http://www.winehq.org/
>>>>
>>>> Or you can run the whole windows in Linux with VMware.
>>>> I've made instructions to put it in openSUSE:
>>>>
>>>> http://waxborg.servepics.com/english...vmware.en.html
>>>>
>>>> There's also VirtualBox, included in openSUSE which does the same thing.
>>>> I've been happy with VMware, so I've got no experience with the latter.
>>>>
>>>> I'd reckon just for the browser, use Wine
>>>>
>>>> Vahis
>>>
>>> But that requires that they purchase Winders.
>>
>> This was a company in question who requires windows IE?
>> They don't want Linux?
>> So they phey pay?
>>
>>
>>> And none of those virtual
>>> machines will work with many modern computers because the manufacturers
>>> do not provide Windows disks anymore.
>>
>> None will work? Where did you get that from?
>>
>> And sure windowses can be bought.
>>
>
> But that is the whole point. They already purchased Windows once with the
> machine, just like I did with mine. The purchase price was built in. When
> there are no disks and only an all or nothing recovery partition then
> virtual machines are of no use. To use Windows they must purchase a second
> copy on disk.

All or nothing? What are you talking about?

No, they don't need more licences.
>
> So yes Windows can be purchased but with a VM it gets bought twice.

You don't know what you are talking about.
>
>>> A great many of them have a restoration
>>> partition that wipes out the harddrive and restores the computer to its
>>> pristine, just bought condition. Even if the VM is free, it is going to
>>> cause an outlay of cash for the Winders disks.
>>
>> Virtual machine gives a disk image to the guest OS who takes it as a disk.
>> It also provides it with the rest of the virtual hardware.
>> The guest won't touch the rest of the disk. It does not even know there's
>> life outside this virtual machine.
>>
>
> But doesn't Windows have to be installed on the Linux partition or are you
> saying that with a dual boot setup, a virtual machine talks to the Windows
> partition from the Linux partition?
>
> I didn't think that was the case.

You install a virtual machine on the host system and then you install a guest
operating system in that virtual machine.

For the host system the Virtual machine is a bunch of files and the guest OS
installed there thinks it's a real machine.

You are obviously confusing two completely different things here.
Dual boot has not been mentioned here before now at all.

Dual boot is one thing, virtual machine a totally different one.

Vahis
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On 2008-05-06, Vahis <waxborg@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 2008-05-06, Vahis <waxborg@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2008-05-05, EOS <heelstraf@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> IE6 on a linux, do in a konsole:
>>> wget http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/...-latest.tar.gz
>>> tar zxvf ies4linux-latest.tar.gz
>>> cd ies4linux-*
>>> ./ies4linux
>>>
>>> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
>>
>> That was interesting so I did it, but no cigar:
>>
>> ies4linux-2.99.0.1> ./ies4linux
>> No user interface available. Use command-line ies4linux or install
>> pygtk. Details: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/No_GUI
>>
>> Then, that link gives:
>>
>> "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page
>> title in other pages or edit this page."
>>
>> I'm still using VMware
>>
>> Vahis
>
> I went on and installed python-qt
>
> That did it
>
> Vahis

It sorta works.
But: Wineserver eats over 40% and explorer eats 40% of CPU so altogether
over 80%. And it seems to stay up there all the time (idle).

VMware eats like 30% of CPU. It goes up when doing something, but rarely
over 80%.

And where VM's Win2K IE6, Win98SE IE6 and WinXP IE7 work just fine this emulated
bitch does not show multimedia or slideshows in my test gallery:

http://waxborg.servepics.com/gallery/v/motorsports/

Obviously that can be fixed by installing some more pieces of puzzle.

Maybe I'll start playing the other way around, how about installing
Konqueror in Windows?

I hear it can be done with Cygwin

Vahis
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Darrell Stec wrote:
> But that is the whole point. They already purchased Windows once with the
> machine, just like I did with mine.

That is not always the case. Also that is a Windows problem, so they
should solve that in a Windows group.

> So yes Windows can be purchased but with a VM it gets bought twice.

No. I got Windows (Vista, I think) with my latetst portable and 3.1 with
my 386. I bought Win95 (first edition) and except these two systems,
none of them included any Windows.

> But doesn't Windows have to be installed on the Linux partition or are you
> saying that with a dual boot setup, a virtual machine talks to the Windows
> partition from the Linux partition?

No. A virtual machine talks to nothing. There are some exceptions, like
the disc player if you so desire. What it does is it makes a file. This
file can be seen on your instalation as someting that is e.g. 8GB large.
You can not do anything with it.

When you start the virtal manager it emulates to be a computer that
starts up with its own bios and it own empty HD. This won't boot, just
as it won't boot when you have an empty PC.

You can then let it boot from floppy or cd/dvd (real or image) and
install the OS of your choice.

houghi
--
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Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us.
Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread.
When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead!

Vahis wrote:
> It sorta works.
> But: Wineserver eats over 40% and explorer eats 40% of CPU so altogether
> over 80%. And it seems to stay up there all the time (idle).
>
> VMware eats like 30% of CPU. It goes up when doing something, but rarely
> over 80%.

Run then together and your system works at 110%

> Maybe I'll start playing the other way around, how about installing
> Konqueror in Windows?

Just rewrite the code.

> I hear it can be done with Cygwin

What about running a Mac in virtual memory 9in which you can run
Parallels in which you can run Linux in which ...

houghi
--
Listen do you hear them drawing near in their search for the sinners?
Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us.
Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread.
When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead!

On 2008-05-06, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
> Vahis wrote:
>> It sorta works.
>> But: Wineserver eats over 40% and explorer eats 40% of CPU so altogether
>> over 80%. And it seems to stay up there all the time (idle).
>>
>> VMware eats like 30% of CPU. It goes up when doing something, but rarely
>> over 80%.
>
> Run then together and your system works at 110%

Thanks, that was a good one
>
>> Maybe I'll start playing the other way around, how about installing
>> Konqueror in Windows?
>
> Just rewrite the code.
>
>> I hear it can be done with Cygwin
>
> What about running a Mac in virtual memory 9in which you can run
> Parallels in which you can run Linux in which ...
>
> houghi

Maybe I'll try such "nested virtualization" one day

I'd like to have a virtual Mac in VMware.
I tried it once but couldn't make it work then.

It was an image available somewhere.

Here's Konqueror for windows:
http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/

Vahis
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Riberto wrote:
> I have been a Suse Linux user for several years now.
> Currently use OpenSuse 10.3 looking forward to 11.0
>
> For work I HAVE to use that other stuff cause my Company uses some
> programs written for that stuff and we ARE required to use it WITH OUT
> messing with it!
>
> Heck its their money so what can I say!!!
>
> Recently their glorious IT department made some changes in their website
> and I am told we must use Internet Explorer to access these new
> features. They are right, I have tried and failed to have full use with
> Firefox, Galeon, Konqueror and Opera.
>
> Is there a program or a way to adjust any of these popular web browsers
> to emulate Internet Explorer?
> There are times I need to access these sites for WORK and hate to switch
> over to the WRONG side of my laptop's partition.
>
> Your input will be greatly appreciated!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
They working for Microsoft? Or just too stupid to create web pages
properly for ALL browsers?

--
Claude Hopper

☮ ☻ ¥

On May 5, 10:44 pm, jack <jackdd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Riberto wrote:
> > I have been a Suse Linux user for several years now.
> > Currently use OpenSuse 10.3 looking forward to 11.0
>
> > For work I HAVE to use that other stuff cause my Company uses some
> > programs written for that stuff and we ARE required to use it WITH OUT
> > messing with it!
>
> > Heck its their money so what can I say!!!
>
> > Recently their glorious IT department made some changes in their website
> > and I am told we must use Internet Explorer to access these new
> > features. They are right, I have tried and failed to have full use with
> > Firefox, Galeon, Konqueror and Opera.
>
> > Is there a program or a way to adjust any of these popular web browsers
> > to emulate Internet Explorer?
> > There are times I need to access these sites for WORK and hate to switch
> > over to the WRONG side of my laptop's partition.
>
> > Your input will be greatly appreciated!
>
> > Thanks,
>
> Before spending money, try this. Open Konqueror web browser, go to
> configure, and try setting the browser identification as Internet
> Explorer for the company website. If there are no active x tags it
> should work.
> Jack

Only if the application is booby-trapped to reject access based on the
user-agent but i otherwise well-written. (A lot of suppliers will only
certify for certain platforms).

IIRC, Konqueror copes quite happily with the MSIE event model, so does
Opera, but javascript specifically (and badly) written for MSIE won't
work on Firefox. YMMV with other browsers.

Certainly you won't be able to run any activeX components without a
full wine build and MSIE (and even then you can expect some pain).

C.

On Tue, 06 May 2008 06:23:53 -0400, class_a wrote:

> Darrell Stec wrote:
>
>>> And sure windowses can be bought.
>>>
>>>
>> But that is the whole point. They already purchased Windows once with
>> the machine, just like I did with mine. The purchase price was built
>> in. When there are no disks and only an all or nothing recovery
>> partition then virtual machines are of no use. To use Windows they
>> must purchase a second copy on disk.
>>
>> So yes Windows can be purchased but with a VM it gets bought twice.
>
> Just install from a 'copy' of a regular Windows install disk. The
> important point, legally, is whether you have a license to use it or
> not. If one came with your original machine then you should be fine
> provided you haven't used that license to install it elsewhere due to M$
> 'one install per license' policy. The install media is fairly
> irrelevant, it's the usage license you need to worry about, which you
> already have so no need to buy a second one!

The last (1) 'official' line I heard (this was from a MS certified
licence expert) was that if the machine had originally had an OEM licence
for 'some' release of Windows, that same version could be legally run in
a VM on another OS on that machine. In other words, if I take my laptop
with XP preinstalled, dual boot it with Suse, I can then install XP in a
Suse controlled VM using the original OEM licence key in addition to the
native install. Of course, WGA will choke as it sees two different lots
of 'hardware' but MS will give me new key if I ask nicely (2).

1: Nearly a year ago - which is a LONG time in the VM world
2: except, of course, they wont, because its an OEM copy (3), so I need
to contact the system builder for all support (4)
3: Unless I'm a corp users who paid the 'upgrade' few to reregister the
OEM copy as a corp version ('corprate' licences' are really just upgrades
to OEMs, and dont actually count as a full licence. I think... (4, again)
4: Its stuff like this that made me look into switching to Linux a few
years back