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I would have rather handled this with them privately rather than
publically, but they (Ixorg) don't have anything on their website that
indicates how I would contact them.

Ixorg took http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/FAQ_sco...owcontrol.html
and gave it to SCO who published it in their latest newsletter and at
http://www.sco.com/partners/news/0412/ixorg_corner.html. That is my
material, and is not public domain.

I don't mind that, but I DO mind that Ixorg has taken credit for
something they didn't write.

A public apology by both SCO and Ixorg will be sufficient to rectify
this. The article at
http://www.sco.com/partners/news/0412/ixorg_corner.html may be
published but proper attribution must be made.

I expect this to be done quickly.

Generally speaking, most articles at my website are free to republish
in any form, but proper attribution must ALWAYS be given. There are
some articles cop[yright by other people, so do not assume that
anything can be freely used. It always makes sense to ASK if you are
unsure.

--
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http://aplawrence

"Tony Lawrence" <pcunix@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1102530148.145869.130530@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>I would have rather handled this with them privately rather than
> publically, but they (Ixorg) don't have anything on their website that
> indicates how I would contact them.
>
> Ixorg took http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/FAQ_sco...owcontrol.html
> and gave it to SCO who published it in their latest newsletter and at
> http://www.sco.com/partners/news/0412/ixorg_corner.html. That is my
> material, and is not public domain.
>
> I don't mind that, but I DO mind that Ixorg has taken credit for
> something they didn't write.
>
> A public apology by both SCO and Ixorg will be sufficient to rectify
> this. The article at
> http://www.sco.com/partners/news/0412/ixorg_corner.html may be
> published but proper attribution must be made.
>
> I expect this to be done quickly.
>
> Generally speaking, most articles at my website are free to republish
> in any form, but proper attribution must ALWAYS be given. There are
> some articles cop[yright by other people, so do not assume that
> anything can be freely used. It always makes sense to ASK if you are
> unsure.

If I were you, I would be contacting my lawyer ASAP.

The only reason I say that is because iXorg, Inc. takes FULL credit
for this " This tip was brought to you by the members of iXorg, Inc."

You may not get a copyright but it is PLAGARISM!

That is utter BS.

moncho

Tony Lawrence wrote:
> I would have rather handled this with them privately rather than
> publically, but they (Ixorg) don't have anything on their website
that
> indicates how I would contact them.
>
> Ixorg took http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/FAQ_sco...owcontrol.html
> and gave it to SCO who published it in their latest newsletter and at
> http://www.sco.com/partners/news/0412/ixorg_corner.html. That is my
> material, and is not public domain.
>
> I don't mind that, but I DO mind that Ixorg has taken credit for
> something they didn't write.
>
> A public apology by both SCO and Ixorg will be sufficient to rectify
> this. The article at
> http://www.sco.com/partners/news/0412/ixorg_corner.html may be
> published but proper attribution must be made.
>
> I expect this to be done quickly.
>
> Generally speaking, most articles at my website are free to republish
> in any form, but proper attribution must ALWAYS be given. There are
> some articles cop[yright by other people, so do not assume that
> anything can be freely used. It always makes sense to ASK if you are
> unsure.
>


And also: I want a listing of other "Contributed by IXorg" articles so
I can see if they have done more of this.

moncho wrote:
> "Tony Lawrence" <pcunix@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1102530148.145869.130530@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> >I would have rather handled this with them privately rather than
> > publically, but they (Ixorg) don't have anything on their website
that
> > indicates how I would contact them.
> >
> > Ixorg took
http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/FAQ_sco...owcontrol.html
> > and gave it to SCO who published it in their latest newsletter and
at
> > http://www.sco.com/partners/news/0412/ixorg_corner.html. That is
my
> > material, and is not public domain.
> >
> > I don't mind that, but I DO mind that Ixorg has taken credit for
> > something they didn't write.
> >
> > A public apology by both SCO and Ixorg will be sufficient to
rectify
> > this. The article at
> > http://www.sco.com/partners/news/0412/ixorg_corner.html may be
> > published but proper attribution must be made.
> >
> > I expect this to be done quickly.
> >
> > Generally speaking, most articles at my website are free to
republish
> > in any form, but proper attribution must ALWAYS be given. There
are
> > some articles cop[yright by other people, so do not assume that
> > anything can be freely used. It always makes sense to ASK if you
are
> > unsure.
>
> If I were you, I would be contacting my lawyer ASAP.
>
> The only reason I say that is because iXorg, Inc. takes FULL credit
> for this " This tip was brought to you by the members of iXorg, Inc."
>
> You may not get a copyright but it is PLAGARISM!
>
> That is utter BS.
>
> moncho

I don't think it requires a lawyer. It IS copyright violation, but I'm
not angry about it being published - I am angry about the attribution.
I want that corrected and I do insist on a public apology: a notice in
SCO's newsletter noting the error, and the same thing on Ixorg's
website, plus a newsgroup post here by them admitting the copying will
entirely satisfy me.

I am a competitor of Ixorg in some ways - we both publish a directory
of consultants - they get $295.00/year for theirs, mine is supported by
advertising, but both have business purpose. Ixorg got the benefit of
a plug on SCO by using my material, so I want a plug on SCO's
newsletter and a BIG plug on Ixorg's website.

Fair enough, I think. Embarrassing for them, but when you steal, it is
only right that you get shamed for it.

--
Tony Lawrence

>> The only reason I say that is because iXorg, Inc. takes FULL credit
>> for this " This tip was brought to you by the members of iXorg, Inc."

It is definetly wrong for them to do that, but one thing I did notice is
that they have you listed as a member on their website, so technically in a
SCO kind of way, the tip was brought to you by a member of the site.
Completely dishonest, and if you ask me, you are being entirely too polite
about it.

Michael S wrote:
> >> The only reason I say that is because iXorg, Inc. takes FULL
credit
> >> for this " This tip was brought to you by the members of iXorg,
Inc."
>
> It is definetly wrong for them to do that, but one thing I did notice
is
> that they have you listed as a member on their website, so
technically in a
> SCO kind of way, the tip was brought to you by a member of the site.
> Completely dishonest, and if you ask me, you are being entirely too
polite
> about it.

Funny that they have me listed, because I refused to pay membership
dues. I didn't feel that Ixorg offered anything of value to me (they
do seminars and have meetings etc. that I'm sure ARE of value but I'm
not interested in those).

I wonder how many other refuseniks are listed as members? That strikes
me as more than a bit dishonest also - listing my name says "Tony
Lawrence thought enough of Ixoprg to pay our dues" - and that's simply
not true.

I don't think that technicality gives them any wriggle room :-)

But I don't think I'm being "too nice" either. I just want loud,
public, credit. The scum who actually stole the article should be
publically chastised too, but I'm not insisting on that - that's up to
Ixorg. If they want to expose the thief, fine by me, but all I care
about is proper credit and an apology.

The material on my website makes me a nice pile of cash every month. I
allow anyone to use MOST of it freely, but I require proper attribution
so that I can go on making money from it. That's pretty simple. They
could have published it without even asking IF they had just included a
link back to where it came from.


--
Tony Lawrence

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 21:03:05 GMT, "Michael S" <donotuse@donotuse.com>
wrote:

>
>>> The only reason I say that is because iXorg, Inc. takes FULL credit
>>> for this " This tip was brought to you by the members of iXorg, Inc."
>
>It is definetly wrong for them to do that, but one thing I did notice is
>that they have you listed as a member on their website, so technically in a
>SCO kind of way, the tip was brought to you by a member of the site.

Not even close to correct. Yes, he's listed on their site, but not in
regards to that article. The brought to you by iXorg crap is simply
amazing.

>Completely dishonest, and if you ask me, you are being entirely too polite
>about it.
>

WIRED woud be a good place to mention this. As sue-happy as SCO is,
they should be more careful. iXorg should consider how this looks for
their [lack of] credibility.

Yes, he is being too nice about it. But then, he's always taken the
high ground. I'll be glad to say they're dishonist fucks for him.

They're dishonest fucks.



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On 8 Dec 2004 11:58:55 -0800, "Tony Lawrence" <pcunix@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Tony Lawrence wrote:
>> I would have rather handled this with them privately rather than
>> publically, but they (Ixorg) don't have anything on their website
>that
>> indicates how I would contact them.
>>
>> Ixorg took http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/FAQ_sco...owcontrol.html
>> and gave it to SCO who published it in their latest newsletter and at
>> http://www.sco.com/partners/news/0412/ixorg_corner.html. That is my
>> material, and is not public domain.
>>
>> I don't mind that, but I DO mind that Ixorg has taken credit for
>> something they didn't write.
>>
>> A public apology by both SCO and Ixorg will be sufficient to rectify
>> this. The article at
>> http://www.sco.com/partners/news/0412/ixorg_corner.html may be
>> published but proper attribution must be made.
>>
>> I expect this to be done quickly.
>>
>> Generally speaking, most articles at my website are free to republish
>> in any form, but proper attribution must ALWAYS be given. There are
>> some articles cop[yright by other people, so do not assume that
>> anything can be freely used. It always makes sense to ASK if you are
>> unsure.
>>
>
>
>And also: I want a listing of other "Contributed by IXorg" articles so
>I can see if they have done more of this.

Good idea. BTW, I'm sure you've already written SCO about this, but
if they don't do something, you could start with sending proof of said
violation to their ISP. Knowingly allowing the publish of copyright
violations is now a crime.

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Gary L. Burnore wrote:

> WIRED woud be a good place to mention this. As sue-happy as SCO is,
> they should be more careful. iXorg should consider how this looks
for
> their [lack of] credibility.


It wouldn't be fair to blame SCO - unless they just ignore me.

As to Wired or, gawd forbid, Slashdot or Groklaw - please DON'T. I
don't need 5 zillion clickers taking bandwidth from me for no useful
reason. We have a nice little community there and don't need the
publicity.

--
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http://aplawrence.com

On Wed, Dec 08, 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>On 8 Dec 2004 11:58:55 -0800, "Tony Lawrence" <pcunix@gmail.com>
....
>>And also: I want a listing of other "Contributed by IXorg" articles so
>>I can see if they have done more of this.
>
>Good idea. BTW, I'm sure you've already written SCO about this, but
>if they don't do something, you could start with sending proof of said
>violation to their ISP. Knowingly allowing the publish of copyright
>violations is now a crime.

There are lots of things that are ``crimes'' that shouldn't be. There are
many laws that are crimes. In many cases, the only difference between a
law and a crime is that a majority voted for the law.

``But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if
the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to
other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one
citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself
cannot do without committing a crime.'' -- Frederic Bastiat, The Law

Bill
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