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A Customer of mine upgraded from a single processor machine on SCO OSR 5.0.5 to
a new Multiprocessor machine on SCO OSR 5.0.7. Of course they upgraded their
license from one machine on 5.0.5 to the new machine on 5.0.7. Exploring some
of the bios settings yesterday (the machine is not in production mode yet) they
discovered the hyperthreading option and when they turned it on - it did
nothing (their quote). At any rate further investigation revealed they were
also utilizing only one of the processors.

While checking into all of this they found out that in order to get the second
cpu (in the same machine) to function they would have to buy a second SCO OSR
5.0.7 license and if they wanted to get Hyperthreading to work then they would
have to buy and additional 2 more above that. So they would need 4 OSR 5.0.7
licenses for a single machine with 2 processors and hyperthreading.....

Can this be right - was there some misunderstanding somewhere or is this really
the licensing. I'm sure I am out of the times but that seems a bit overdone.

--
Brian Keener
bkeenerReMoVeAnTiSpAm@thesoftwaresource.com

You need an SMP license for each additional processor...

I do not know about the HT technology.

"Brian Keener" <bkeener@thesoftwaresource.com> wrote in message
news:VA.00000f30.00663597@thesoftwaresource.com...
> A Customer of mine upgraded from a single processor machine on SCO OSR
5.0.5 to
> a new Multiprocessor machine on SCO OSR 5.0.7. Of course they upgraded
their
> license from one machine on 5.0.5 to the new machine on 5.0.7. Exploring
some
> of the bios settings yesterday (the machine is not in production mode yet)
they
> discovered the hyperthreading option and when they turned it on - it did
> nothing (their quote). At any rate further investigation revealed they
were
> also utilizing only one of the processors.
>
> While checking into all of this they found out that in order to get the
second
> cpu (in the same machine) to function they would have to buy a second SCO
OSR
> 5.0.7 license and if they wanted to get Hyperthreading to work then they
would
> have to buy and additional 2 more above that. So they would need 4 OSR
5.0.7
> licenses for a single machine with 2 processors and hyperthreading.....
>
> Can this be right - was there some misunderstanding somewhere or is this
really
> the licensing. I'm sure I am out of the times but that seems a bit
overdone.
>
> --
> Brian Keener
> bkeenerReMoVeAnTiSpAm@thesoftwaresource.com
>
>

Brian Keener typed (on Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 03:52:01PM -0500):

| A Customer of mine upgraded from a single processor machine on SCO
| OSR 5.0.5 to a new Multiprocessor machine on SCO OSR 5.0.7. Of
| course they upgraded their license from one machine on 5.0.5 to the
| new machine on 5.0.7. Exploring some of the bios settings yesterday
| (the machine is not in production mode yet) they discovered the
| hyperthreading option and when they turned it on - it did nothing
| (their quote). At any rate further investigation revealed they were
| also utilizing only one of the processors.
|
| While checking into all of this they found out that in order to get
| the second cpu (in the same machine) to function they would have
| to buy a second SCO OSR 5.0.7 license and if they wanted to get
| Hyperthreading to work then they would have to buy and additional 2
| more above that. So they would need 4 OSR 5.0.7 licenses for a single
| machine with 2 processors and hyperthreading.....
|
| Can this be right - was there some misunderstanding somewhere or is
| this really the licensing. I'm sure I am out of the times but that
| seems a bit overdone.

On ONE machine, you can install ONE license of an SCO Operating System.
If the machine has additional processors, you can then install an SMP
licence for each addition CPU.

Be sure to install the SMP license(s) before applying all the requisite
5.0.7 patches.

--
JP

On 1 Apr 2004 16:33:40 -0500, Jean-Pierre Radley <jpr@jpr.com> wrote:
> Brian Keener typed (on Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 03:52:01PM -0500):
>
> | A Customer of mine upgraded from a single processor machine on SCO
> | OSR 5.0.5 to a new Multiprocessor machine on SCO OSR 5.0.7. Of
> | course they upgraded their license from one machine on 5.0.5 to
the
> | new machine on 5.0.7. Exploring some of the bios settings
yesterday
> | (the machine is not in production mode yet) they discovered the
> | hyperthreading option and when they turned it on - it did nothing
> | (their quote). At any rate further investigation revealed they
were
> | also utilizing only one of the processors.
> |
> | While checking into all of this they found out that in order to
get
> | the second cpu (in the same machine) to function they would have
> | to buy a second SCO OSR 5.0.7 license and if they wanted to get
> | Hyperthreading to work then they would have to buy and additional
2
> | more above that. So they would need 4 OSR 5.0.7 licenses for a
single
> | machine with 2 processors and hyperthreading.....
> |
> | Can this be right - was there some misunderstanding somewhere or
is
> | this really the licensing. I'm sure I am out of the times but
that
> | seems a bit overdone.
>
> On ONE machine, you can install ONE license of an SCO Operating
System.
> If the machine has additional processors, you can then install an
SMP
> licence for each addition CPU.
>
> Be sure to install the SMP license(s) before applying all the
requisite
> 5.0.7 patches.
>
> --
> JP

Yes, but that doesn't answer the OP's question: does he need 2
licenses, or 4?

Check out this link:

http://unix.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups...sco.misc/2003-
07/0601.html

(or google for "hyperthreading Bela Lubkin" which suggests that the
requirement for a SMP license for hypertheading is legally not
required (the kernel doesn't understand that it's not a separate CPU),
and goes away when you install Update Pack 1:

"Systems with a single HT CPU and OSR507UP1 can install SMP
(without an SMP license) and take advantage of both "halves"
of the CPU. My new workstation is configured this way..."

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Nachman Yaakov Ziskind wrote:
> On 1 Apr 2004 16:33:40 -0500, Jean-Pierre Radley <jpr@jpr.com> wrote:
>> Brian Keener typed (on Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 03:52:01PM -0500):
>>
>>> A Customer of mine upgraded from a single processor machine on SCO
>>> OSR 5.0.5 to a new Multiprocessor machine on SCO OSR 5.0.7. Of
>>> course they upgraded their license from one machine on 5.0.5 to the
>>> new machine on 5.0.7. Exploring some of the bios settings yesterday
>>> (the machine is not in production mode yet) they discovered the
>>> hyperthreading option and when they turned it on - it did nothing
>>> (their quote). At any rate further investigation revealed they were
>>> also utilizing only one of the processors.
>>>
>>> While checking into all of this they found out that in order to get
>>> the second cpu (in the same machine) to function they would have
>>> to buy a second SCO OSR 5.0.7 license and if they wanted to get
>>> Hyperthreading to work then they would have to buy and additional 2
>>> more above that. So they would need 4 OSR 5.0.7 licenses for a
>>> single machine with 2 processors and hyperthreading.....
>>>
>>> Can this be right - was there some misunderstanding somewhere or is
>>> this really the licensing. I'm sure I am out of the times but that
>>> seems a bit overdone.
>>
>> On ONE machine, you can install ONE license of an SCO Operating
>> System. If the machine has additional processors, you can then
>> install an SMP licence for each addition CPU.
>>
>> Be sure to install the SMP license(s) before applying all the
>> requisite
>> 5.0.7 patches.
>>
>> --
>> JP
>
> Yes, but that doesn't answer the OP's question: does he need 2
> licenses, or 4?
>
>
> Check out this link:
>
> http://unix.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups...sco.misc/2003-
> 07/0601.html
>
> (or google for "hyperthreading Bela Lubkin" which suggests that the
> requirement for a SMP license for hypertheading is legally not
> required (the kernel doesn't understand that it's not a separate CPU),
> and goes away when you install Update Pack 1:
>
> "Systems with a single HT CPU and OSR507UP1 can install SMP
> (without an SMP license) and take advantage of both "halves"
> of the CPU. My new workstation is configured this way..."

Right, and for any box that is less than 5.0.7up1 you should:
* disable HT in the bios, it is not always harmlessly ignored, sometimes
having it enabled results in programs failing in unpredictable but
repeatable ways.
* install one base sco licence and one smp licence.

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:52:01 EST, Brian Keener
<bkeener@thesoftwaresource.com> wrote:

[SCO's out of date licensing scheme]

>Can this be right - was there some misunderstanding somewhere or is this really
>the licensing. I'm sure I am out of the times but that seems a bit overdone.

Yes, you are correct, you'll need to pay SCO 4 times as much money for
2 hyperthreaded CPUs. Is it any wonder that SCO's a dead company when
you can pick up a modern operating system that can do everything OS or
UW can manage and much more, for free, to run on as many CPUs as you
like (the standard kernel allows for 32 CPUs I believe, and with NUMA,
it's several hundred per machine). As Brian has pointed out, SCO's
systems behave unpredictably with more than CPU in use. This is hardly
surprising since major parts of OS and UW have barely changed since
the days when an 80386 processor was the standard.

Unless you're in the sorry position of being chained to some ancient
legacy application (SCO's rapidly dwindling main market) then you
really should consider upgrading to Linux (or even *BSD); you know, an
operating system with a future in front of it, rather than behind it.
SCO as a company would actually have disappeared from the map over a
year ago, if it weren't for handouts (or "investments") from a few of
Microsoft's friends. They no longer make any profit from software,
their latest press releases about improvements to their software have
been filled with opensource projects they've bundled into their
distros (violating the GPL in the process), and a good proportion of
their company is owned by a lawfirm. Real "innovators" huh? ;-)

--
FyRE < "War: The way Americans learn geography" >

"Brian Keener" <bkeener@thesoftwaresource.com> wrote in message
news:VA.00000f30.00663597@thesoftwaresource.com...
> A Customer of mine upgraded from a single processor machine on SCO OSR
5.0.5 to
> a new Multiprocessor machine on SCO OSR 5.0.7. Of course they upgraded
their
> license from one machine on 5.0.5 to the new machine on 5.0.7. Exploring
some
> of the bios settings yesterday (the machine is not in production mode yet)
they
> discovered the hyperthreading option and when they turned it on - it did
> nothing (their quote). At any rate further investigation revealed they
were
> also utilizing only one of the processors.
>
> While checking into all of this they found out that in order to get the
second
> cpu (in the same machine) to function they would have to buy a second SCO
OSR
> 5.0.7 license and if they wanted to get Hyperthreading to work then they
would
> have to buy and additional 2 more above that. So they would need 4 OSR
5.0.7
> licenses for a single machine with 2 processors and hyperthreading.....
>
> Can this be right - was there some misunderstanding somewhere or is this
really
> the licensing. I'm sure I am out of the times but that seems a bit
overdone.

Just to reiterate, you need to buy *one* additional SMP license for the 2nd
CPU,
and you must also buy one SCO Update license, which allows you to install
SCO Update Packs, which adds new features to the OS. One of these new
features is support of HT on newer P4 and Xeon processors.

When all is said and done, your single machine will appear to have 4
processors
enabled, 2 real (from SMP) and 2 virtual (from HT).

Bob

FyRE wrote:
> [SCO's out of date licensing scheme]
>
Thank you for your comments and now let me say:

While I have enjoyed your dissertations in this group and watched you and
others battle it out incessantly (I have not enjoyed this as much) I did not
ask this question to again start a battle over what is or is not right with SCO
or Linux. We are all familiar with the situation (we should be by now) and
have beat this horse to death - give it and us a break - quite frankly I'm
tired of it.

My customer and I discussed at length the pros and cons and the current
situation with SCO and Linux before they made *their* decision. But *their*
decision has been made. The one thing that neither they nor I could argue with
was the solidity and reliability of the SCO machines we had worked with in the
past in production environments. That may be true of Linux as well but we had
not been down that road as yet and while I have experience (personal) with
Linux - I have not yet used it in a production environment. Nor had my client
or their other support people.

Again thanks for the additional comments (I knew they would come) but all I
really want at the moment is clear concise answers to a situation that I find
one of my customers involved in.

By the way, just in case there is some doubt - my response to this is not an
invite for further discussion on SCO vs Linux.

--
Brian Keener
bkeenerReMoVeAnTiSpAm@thesoftwaresource.com

Bob Bailin wrote:
> Just to reiterate, you need to buy *one* additional SMP license for the 2nd
> CPU,
> and you must also buy one SCO Update license, which allows you to install
> SCO Update Packs, which adds new features to the OS. One of these new
> features is support of HT on newer P4 and Xeon processors.
>
> When all is said and done, your single machine will appear to have 4
> processors
> enabled, 2 real (from SMP) and 2 virtual (from HT).
>
Okay,

just to clarify this - my customer will end up with 3 licenses:

1) the original 5.0.7 OS license which gave them 1 cpu
2) an SMP license for the second cpu which now lets them have 2 cpu's with the
original os.
3) the update license for 5.0.7 which give them the right to update the OS that
they already licensed and will then allow them to install the patch to get
hyperthreading.

3 licenses and they are there - right.

bk

"Brian Keener" <bkeener@thesoftwaresource.com> wrote in message
news:VA.00000f36.00846f48@thesoftwaresource.com...
> Bob Bailin wrote:
> > Just to reiterate, you need to buy *one* additional SMP license for the
2nd
> > CPU,
> > and you must also buy one SCO Update license, which allows you to
install
> > SCO Update Packs, which adds new features to the OS. One of these new
> > features is support of HT on newer P4 and Xeon processors.
> >
> > When all is said and done, your single machine will appear to have 4
> > processors
> > enabled, 2 real (from SMP) and 2 virtual (from HT).
> >
> Okay,
>
> just to clarify this - my customer will end up with 3 licenses:
>
> 1) the original 5.0.7 OS license which gave them 1 cpu
> 2) an SMP license for the second cpu which now lets them have 2 cpu's with
the
> original os.
> 3) the update license for 5.0.7 which give them the right to update the OS
that
> they already licensed and will then allow them to install the patch to get
> hyperthreading.
>
> 3 licenses and they are there - right.

Right. Remember to install the SMP software along with the license
immediately after installing the base OS, before any other patches.
And you have to install Maintenance Pack 1 (mp1, always free) before
installing Update Pack 2 (up2, for which you have the update license)
which will give you the HT support. Update Pack 1 is superceded by up2.

If for some reason you're using large (>137GB) IDE hard disks, be sure
to read the up2 release notes about installing the new wd driver.

Bob