Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:
> Eric Wood typed (on Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 03:22:06PM -0400):
>> Need to reinstall a 5.0.5 system for a customer because that's what
>> they have liscenses for. I have 5.0.0, 5.0.2, 5.0.4, and 5.0.6.

> The licenses should work for 5.0.6 too.

Talked to a lady at SCO and she said they have to buy the upgrade. If this
is the case, will 5.0.5 liscenses work if I buy the 5.0.7 media kit?

-eric wood

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:13:31 -0400, Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:
> | Talked to a lady at SCO and she said they have to buy the upgrade. If this
> | is the case, will 5.0.5 liscenses work if I buy the 5.0.7 media kit?
>
> The licences will work for 5.0.6. They will not work for 5.0.7.

I understand that there's not much of a diff between 5.0.5 and 5.0.6.
However, why does SCO make you think you need to purchase the upgrade?:

http://www.unixpress.com/sco/unix/op...rUpgrades.html

I'll take you word for it and will try to install 5.0.6 next week
with the 5.0.5 licenses.

-eric wood

Eric Wood wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:13:31 -0400, Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:
> > | Talked to a lady at SCO and she said they have to buy the upgrade. If this
> > | is the case, will 5.0.5 liscenses work if I buy the 5.0.7 media kit?
> >
> > The licences will work for 5.0.6. They will not work for 5.0.7.
>
> I understand that there's not much of a diff between 5.0.5 and 5.0.6.
> However, why does SCO make you think you need to purchase the upgrade?:
>
> http://www.unixpress.com/sco/unix/op...rUpgrades.html
>
> I'll take you word for it and will try to install 5.0.6 next week
> with the 5.0.5 licenses.

It's a chargable upgrade. To be in compliance with the product's
license terms, you must buy the upgrade. JPR is right, however, that
OSR506 does not enforce this in software. OSR507 does.

>Bela<

Thanks Bela. I see you work at SCO but you must understand why I have much
difficulty supporting SCO as opposed to Linux. It not so much the technical
side.... it's mainly that I'm numbed with licensing.

1. What is the logic of not providing iso images of cd's? We're forced to
buy a media kit because the manual is that valuable?
2. Aren't licenses good enough since you must enter the code before
installation proceeds?
3. What can't I purchase (preferably download) a discontiued version of SCO
media kit to help out an end user? They lost the cd and SCO is forcing them
to upgrade? In their eyes, this only looks bad to SCO.
4. I read a review on 5.0.6 which has minor enhancements to 5.0.5
(http://www.aplawrence.com/Reviews/osr506.html) I don't see that value from
what I read. There's got to be some logic into why 5.0.5 licenses will work
in 5.0.6. Maybe managment thought they would be nice and consider this a
mostly "bug fix" release. Still, this ought to be stated. Will there be a
5.0.6 patch that effectively disables 5.0.5 licenses to punish those of us
doing this. If 5.0.7 contains significant more value, then fine.. charge for
the upgrade. But if 5.0.6 doesn't then don't charge. Or make 5.0.5 media
kits available for download. I'm not asking that much.
5. http://www.caldera.com/products/open...factsheet.html..... lot's
of broken links at SCO....

Feel free to let a SCO Product manager call me to discuss.
-Eric Wood
InterTelcom LLC
www.intertelcom.com
864-676-9585


>Bela Lubkin wrote:
>> Eric Wood wrote:
>> However, why does SCO make you think you need to purchase the upgrade?:
>>
>> http://www.unixpress.com/sco/unix/op...rUpgrades.html
>>
>> I'll take you word for it and will try to install 5.0.6 next week
>> with the 5.0.5 licenses.
> It's a chargable upgrade. To be in compliance with the product's
> license terms, you must buy the upgrade. JPR is right, however, that
> OSR506 does not enforce this in software. OSR507 does.

Eric Wood wrote:

> Thanks Bela. I see you work at SCO but you must understand why I have much
> difficulty supporting SCO as opposed to Linux. It not so much the technical
> side.... it's mainly that I'm numbed with licensing.
>
> 1. What is the logic of not providing iso images of cd's? We're forced to
> buy a media kit because the manual is that valuable?
> 2. Aren't licenses good enough since you must enter the code before
> installation proceeds?

I'm not in charge of this stuff, I can only guess why things are the way
they are. I would guess that OpenServer ISO images are absent due to
(1) a lingering feeling that providing such large items for download
would overburden net connections (probably obsolete), and (2) a feeling
that providing images would imply, to certain people, that licenses
weren't "really necessary".

> 3. What can't I purchase (preferably download) a discontiued version of SCO
> media kit to help out an end user? They lost the cd and SCO is forcing them
> to upgrade? In their eyes, this only looks bad to SCO.

I'm pretty sure that if you find the right person at SCO, you _can_
order obsolete media kits. "The right person" really ought to be anyone
you reach on an order phonecall. What you want isn't the most common
request, but they should be able to figure it out anyway. Be
persistent.

> 4. I read a review on 5.0.6 which has minor enhancements to 5.0.5
> (http://www.aplawrence.com/Reviews/osr506.html) I don't see that value from
> what I read. There's got to be some logic into why 5.0.5 licenses will work
> in 5.0.6. Maybe managment thought they would be nice and consider this a
> mostly "bug fix" release. Still, this ought to be stated.

505 licenses work on 506 because that's how the licensing software
worked at that time. It was a known problem with the licensing code
that it didn't enforce chargable upgrades. Fixing the code was a large
project and got put off repeatedly until it was finally done in OSR507.

> Will there be a
> 5.0.6 patch that effectively disables 5.0.5 licenses to punish those of us
> doing this.

I doubt it. In fact I'm not sure it's possible; part of the problem was
that before 507, the license codes didn't encode what release they were
supposed to apply to. (I realize that this doesn't sound like a
"problem" to you, but from the perspective of the company trying to sell
such licenses, it surely is...)

> If 5.0.7 contains significant more value, then fine.. charge for
> the upgrade. But if 5.0.6 doesn't then don't charge. Or make 5.0.5 media
> kits available for download. I'm not asking that much.

I don't disagree. If I had the power to do so, I would put up ISO
images on our web site, probably fronted by a dialog that required you
to enter contact information and promise that you intended to use the
images only with valid SCO-supplied licenses.

> 5. http://www.caldera.com/products/open...factsheet.html..... lot's
> of broken links at SCO....

Yep. The company name changes havne't helped. I can't even check that
right now because neither www.caldera.com nor www.sco.com is responding.
I don't know if that means we're under some sort of attack at the
moment, or what.

> Feel free to let a SCO Product manager call me to discuss.

I have asked the OpenServer product manager to call you.

>Bela<

Bela Lubkin typed (on Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 08:11:20AM +0000):
|
| I'm pretty sure that if you find the right person at SCO, you _can_
| order obsolete media kits. "The right person" really ought to be anyone
| you reach on an order phonecall. What you want isn't the most common
| request, but they should be able to figure it out anyway. Be
| persistent.

I see Item CC200-UX74-5.0.6, Release 5.0.6 English Version, in a SCO
Price List as a built-to-order, non-returnable product. The price may
have changed, but it was recently $149 (as opposed to $99 for a current
5.0.7 media kit). Ask any SCO dealer to get this for you.

--
JP

Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:

> Bela Lubkin typed (on Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 08:11:20AM +0000):
> |
> | I'm pretty sure that if you find the right person at SCO, you _can_
> | order obsolete media kits. "The right person" really ought to be anyone
> | you reach on an order phonecall. What you want isn't the most common
> | request, but they should be able to figure it out anyway. Be
> | persistent.
>
> I see Item CC200-UX74-5.0.6, Release 5.0.6 English Version, in a SCO
> Price List as a built-to-order, non-returnable product. The price may
> have changed, but it was recently $149 (as opposed to $99 for a current
> 5.0.7 media kit). Ask any SCO dealer to get this for you.

Yes, but the subject line says "Need Openserver 5.0.5 Media Kit". Is
that also available as a built-to-order, non-returnable product?

(I don't understand, after all these years, why you still cannot see the
subject lines of news articles.)

>Bela<

Bela Lubkin typed (on Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 07:18:44AM +0000):
| Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:
|
| > Bela Lubkin typed (on Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 08:11:20AM +0000):
| > |
| > | I'm pretty sure that if you find the right person at SCO, you _can_
| > | order obsolete media kits. "The right person" really ought to be anyone
| > | you reach on an order phonecall. What you want isn't the most common
| > | request, but they should be able to figure it out anyway. Be
| > | persistent.
| >
| > I see Item CC200-UX74-5.0.6, Release 5.0.6 English Version, in a SCO
| > Price List as a built-to-order, non-returnable product. The price may
| > have changed, but it was recently $149 (as opposed to $99 for a current
| > 5.0.7 media kit). Ask any SCO dealer to get this for you.
|
| Yes, but the subject line says "Need Openserver 5.0.5 Media Kit". Is
| that also available as a built-to-order, non-returnable product?

It's not in the price lists; I've no idea whether SCO would, modulo the
offer of some $$$, produce it nowadays or not.

--
JP