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Jean-Pierre Radley typed (on Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 05:09:21PM -0500):
| I've been asked to lead OSR 5.0.5 on a Dell Optiplex 170, and it's
| coming up with "hd: no root disk controller found".
|
| What, in my incipient dotage, have I forgotten?

Forget it, folks -- turns out the box has a SATA drive, so no variant of
OSR 5 will cope with it.

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JP
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Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:
>
> Jean-Pierre Radley typed (on Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 05:09:21PM -0500):
> | I've been asked to lead OSR 5.0.5 on a Dell Optiplex 170, and it's
> | coming up with "hd: no root disk controller found".
> |
> | What, in my incipient dotage, have I forgotten?
>
> Forget it, folks -- turns out the box has a SATA drive, so no variant of
> OSR 5 will cope with it.
>
> --
> JP
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JP,

That's not strictly true. I have installed SCO 5.0.6 and 5.0.7 on a
SuperMicro X6DVL-EG system board with SATA controller identified as
"2x SATA Ports via 6300ESB SATA Controller" and "Hance Rapids" using
the wdsupp package and wd btld. But there is no wd driver for 5.0.5.
--

Steve Fabac
S.M. Fabac & Associates
816/765-1670

Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:

> Jean-Pierre Radley typed (on Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 05:09:21PM -0500):
> | I've been asked to lead OSR 5.0.5 on a Dell Optiplex 170, and it's
> | coming up with "hd: no root disk controller found".
> |
> | What, in my incipient dotage, have I forgotten?
>
> Forget it, folks -- turns out the box has a SATA drive, so no variant of
> OSR 5 will cope with it.

OSR5 works fine with certain SATA controllers. The OS doesn't care
about the technology of the drive, it cares whether it has a driver for
the controller. So, what is the controller?

>Bela<

Bela Lubkin typed (on Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 01:44:04AM -0500):
| Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:
|
| > Jean-Pierre Radley typed (on Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 05:09:21PM -0500):
| > | I've been asked to lead OSR 5.0.5 on a Dell Optiplex 170, and it's
| > | coming up with "hd: no root disk controller found".
| > |
| > | What, in my incipient dotage, have I forgotten?
| >
| > Forget it, folks -- turns out the box has a SATA drive, so no variant of
| > OSR 5 will cope with it.
|
| OSR5 works fine with certain SATA controllers. The OS doesn't care
| about the technology of the drive, it cares whether it has a driver for
| the controller. So, what is the controller?

I have none of the paperwork for this machine, and all I can read in the
BIOS messages is SATA Primary Drive. Is there anything else I can learn
without opening up the box?

I also now see that the CPU is a Pentium 4, and that's a no-no for 5.0.5,
right?

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JP
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In article <20060117134418.GM6103@jpradley.jpr.com>,
Jean-Pierre Radley <jpr@jpr.com> wrote:
>Bela Lubkin typed (on Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 01:44:04AM -0500):
>| Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:
>|
>| > Jean-Pierre Radley typed (on Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 05:09:21PM -0500):
>| > | I've been asked to lead OSR 5.0.5 on a Dell Optiplex 170, and it's
>| > | coming up with "hd: no root disk controller found".
>| > |
>| > | What, in my incipient dotage, have I forgotten?
>| >
>| > Forget it, folks -- turns out the box has a SATA drive, so no variant of
>| > OSR 5 will cope with it.

>| OSR5 works fine with certain SATA controllers. The OS doesn't
>| care about the technology of the drive, it cares whether it has
>| a driver for the controller. So, what is the controller?

>I have none of the paperwork for this machine, and all I can read
>in the BIOS messages is SATA Primary Drive. Is there anything
>else I can learn without opening up the box?

So it sounds like it's an onboard SATA chip. In the BSD-land there
have been lots of problems with the Silicon Images SATA drives.

It has the SII?? letters in it's name, not to be confused with
SiS.

In BSD the SII loves to go into PIO mode instead of DMA.

You could perhaps install a known good type of SATA controller.

>I also now see that the CPU is a Pentium 4, and that's a no-no
>for 5.0.5, right?

Ah - one of those where the customer picks the HW and then expect
you to make things work that never will.

Bill
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Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com

Bill Vermillion typed (on Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 05:45:01PM +0000):
| In article <20060117134418.GM6103@jpradley.jpr.com>,
| Jean-Pierre Radley <jpr@jpr.com> wrote:
| >Bela Lubkin typed (on Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 01:44:04AM -0500):
| >| Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:
| >|
| >| > Jean-Pierre Radley typed (on Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 05:09:21PM -0500):
| >| > | I've been asked to lead OSR 5.0.5 on a Dell Optiplex 170, and it's
| >| > | coming up with "hd: no root disk controller found".
| >| > |
| >| > | What, in my incipient dotage, have I forgotten?
| >| >
| >| > Forget it, folks -- turns out the box has a SATA drive, so no variant of
| >| > OSR 5 will cope with it.
|
| >| OSR5 works fine with certain SATA controllers. The OS doesn't
| >| care about the technology of the drive, it cares whether it has
| >| a driver for the controller. So, what is the controller?
|
| >I have none of the paperwork for this machine, and all I can read
| >in the BIOS messages is SATA Primary Drive. Is there anything
| >else I can learn without opening up the box?
|
| So it sounds like it's an onboard SATA chip. In the BSD-land there
| have been lots of problems with the Silicon Images SATA drives.
|
| It has the SII?? letters in it's name, not to be confused with
| SiS.
|
| In BSD the SII loves to go into PIO mode instead of DMA.
|
| You could perhaps install a known good type of SATA controller.
|
| >I also now see that the CPU is a Pentium 4, and that's a no-no
| >for 5.0.5, right?
|
| Ah - one of those where the customer picks the HW and then expect
| you to make things work that never will.

Just so!
They picked up the machine this afternoon.
Tomorrow, I will be handed another box...


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JP
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Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:

> | > | I've been asked to lead OSR 5.0.5 on a Dell Optiplex 170, and it's
> | > | coming up with "hd: no root disk controller found".
> | > |
> | > | What, in my incipient dotage, have I forgotten?
> | >
> | > Forget it, folks -- turns out the box has a SATA drive, so no variant of
> | > OSR 5 will cope with it.
>
> I have none of the paperwork for this machine, and all I can read in the
> BIOS messages is SATA Primary Drive. Is there anything else I can learn
> without opening up the box?

Dump out the machine's list of PCI vendor/device ID pairs, post it here.
Most OSes will give you a dump of PCI vendor & device info. You can do
it with an OSR507 boot CD like so:

Boot
: defbootstr maindebug
...
debug> pci_collect_config()
debug> struct pci_full_header vend_id dev_id pci_config_cache
F0815000:
0000 0002 unsigned short vend_id 8086
0002 0002 unsigned short dev_id 7190

Write down "8086 7190", hit space to get to the next one. When you reach
a "0000 0000" entry, you're done. At that point you can power off the
machine -- this is before any filesystems have been mounted, so you
don't have to try to be graceful.

An OS that likes the device will probably be able to tell you a lot more
about it, but may also apply biases that will confuse the picture...

I'd like to see the actual hex values. If you're curious, you can find
translations at http://pciids.sourceforge.net/pci.ids (among many
others).

> I also now see that the CPU is a Pentium 4, and that's a no-no for 5.0.5,
> right?

It's not officially supported. After all these years I still haven't
seen a report of actually "smoking" a P4 with OSR5, so I'm not worried.
There's a good chance the CPU would end up dropping its clock rate down
to a fraction of normal (1/2 or 1/4) -- would the customer even notice
that? Then maybe he would agree to upgrade the OS...

>Bela<

Bela Lubkin typed (on Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 04:02:21AM -0500):
| Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:
|
| > | > | I've been asked to lead OSR 5.0.5 on a Dell Optiplex 170, and it's
| > | > | coming up with "hd: no root disk controller found".
| > | > |
| > | > | What, in my incipient dotage, have I forgotten?
| > | >
| > | > Forget it, folks -- turns out the box has a SATA drive, so no variant of
| > | > OSR 5 will cope with it.
| >
| > I have none of the paperwork for this machine, and all I can read in the
| > BIOS messages is SATA Primary Drive. Is there anything else I can learn
| > without opening up the box?
|
| Dump out the machine's list of PCI vendor/device ID pairs, post it here.
| Most OSes will give you a dump of PCI vendor & device info. You can do
| it with an OSR507 boot CD like so:
|
| Boot
| : defbootstr maindebug
| ...
| debug> pci_collect_config()
| debug> struct pci_full_header vend_id dev_id pci_config_cache
| F0815000:
| 0000 0002 unsigned short vend_id 8086
| 0002 0002 unsigned short dev_id 7190

Thanks for the notion, but the customer took back the machine to put
it to an other use and is providing me a different one later today...


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JP
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