Time to move to Linux guys.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070914/laf040.html?.v=101

In article <1189798437.651291.130320@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
eaglealan64 <alan.milnes@gmail.com> wrote:
>Time to move to Linux guys.
>
>http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070914/laf040.html?.v=101
>

Why, when even if we had to, would we not go to something far better
like FreeBSD or Solaris.


Dave "Not into Distro of the Week Fever" Gresham

In article <1189798437.651291.130320@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
eaglealan64 <alan.milnes@gmail.com> wrote:
>Time to move to Linux guys.
>
>http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070914/laf040.html?.v=101
>

A lot of companies have filed chapter 11 and emerged successfully.
Delta Airlines, K-Mart, United Airlines, and dozens of others.

Chapter 11 lets you keep operating while working out the details
needed to continue operation and emerge from bankruptcy.

And there are better OSes for servers to migrate to than
Linux IMO.

Bill
--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Gresham" <gresham@panix.com>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc
To: <distro@jpr.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: SCOX are bankrupt


> In article <1189798437.651291.130320@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
> eaglealan64 <alan.milnes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Time to move to Linux guys.
>>
>>http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070914/laf040.html?.v=101
>>
>
> Why, when even if we had to, would we not go to something far better
> like FreeBSD or Solaris.
>
>
> Dave "Not into Distro of the Week Fever" Gresham

but but but... they're so kewwwwl and prettttty

-bkw

Bill Vermillion wrote:

> A lot of companies have filed chapter 11 and emerged successfully.
> Delta Airlines, K-Mart, United Airlines, and dozens of others.
>
> Chapter 11 lets you keep operating while working out the details
> needed to continue operation and emerge from bankruptcy.

Just keep telling yourself that. Chapter 11 doesn't protect companies from
court judgments, especially when it comes to conversion.

"to our utter distruction" (ralph yarro) indeed

> And there are better OSes for servers to migrate to than
> Linux IMO.

But wait, didn't linux steal all of SCO's code? Isn't Linux an unauthorized
clone of SCO unix? That's what they kept saying.

"Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of
Unix," - Kieran O'Shaugnessy

What are you all going to do when SCO software is completely unsupported?
Novell "owns" the copyrights to SCO's Unix, and Novell wants you to go to
Linux.

--
BMO

In article <LaSGi.84613$lZ7.55352@newsfe20.lga>,
Boyle M. Owl <bmo@all.spammers.to.hell.hull.and.halifax.entropy .tmok.com> wrote:
>Bill Vermillion wrote:
>
>> A lot of companies have filed chapter 11 and emerged successfully.
>> Delta Airlines, K-Mart, United Airlines, and dozens of others.
>>
>> Chapter 11 lets you keep operating while working out the details
>> needed to continue operation and emerge from bankruptcy.

>Just keep telling yourself that. Chapter 11 doesn't protect companies from
>court judgments, especially when it comes to conversion.
>
>"to our utter distruction" (ralph yarro) indeed

>> And there are better OSes for servers to migrate to than
>> Linux IMO.

>But wait, didn't linux steal all of SCO's code? Isn't Linux an unauthorized
>clone of SCO unix? That's what they kept saying.

>"Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of
>Unix," - Kieran O'Shaugnessy

There are only a few verrsion of Unix [officially sanctioned and
licensed to use the name] and one of the latest additions to
that fold - certified by opengroup.org in May - is Apple's version
of OS/X - the forthcoming 'Leopard' aka OS/X 10.5.

>What are you all going to do when SCO software is completely
>unsupported? Novell "owns" the copyrights to SCO's Unix, and
>Novell wants you to go to Linux.

I've made a decent amount of money over the years supporing
unsupported/defunct products.

As to Novell wanting users to to to Linux - I'll stick with
my FreeBSD servers. One was up for over 700 days running mail
services. The only patches were for some programs which only
needed a recompile and install without bringing the OS down.

And as for Novell's version of Linux - SuSE - my impression is they
changed things just for the sake of change to differentiate
themselves from other.

Don't forget that Solaris 10 is now FREE.

And that's a SysV environment that's pretty standard.

Bill
--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com

On Sat, Sep 15, 2007, Bill Vermillion wrote:
>In article <LaSGi.84613$lZ7.55352@newsfe20.lga>,
>Boyle M. Owl <bmo@all.spammers.to.hell.hull.and.halifax.entropy .tmok.com> wrote:
>>Bill Vermillion wrote:
....
>There are only a few verrsion of Unix [officially sanctioned and
>licensed to use the name] and one of the latest additions to
>that fold - certified by opengroup.org in May - is Apple's version
>of OS/X - the forthcoming 'Leopard' aka OS/X 10.5.
>
>>What are you all going to do when SCO software is completely
>>unsupported? Novell "owns" the copyrights to SCO's Unix, and
>>Novell wants you to go to Linux.
>
>I've made a decent amount of money over the years supporing
>unsupported/defunct products.
>
>As to Novell wanting users to to to Linux - I'll stick with
>my FreeBSD servers. One was up for over 700 days running mail
>services. The only patches were for some programs which only
>needed a recompile and install without bringing the OS down.
>
>And as for Novell's version of Linux - SuSE - my impression is they
>changed things just for the sake of change to differentiate
>themselves from other.

Most of the difference I've found with SuSE are excellent
administration tools in yast2 -- at least since SuSE 8.0 when
they went away from the monolithic configuration file to a system
that allows one to edit normal text files which then are honored
by yast2 where the older systems nuked any manual changes.

I've been doing a fair amount with CentOS for the last month or
so, and have had some surprises with things that CentOS doesn't
support by default (e.g. Firewire and xfs file systems which I've
been using in SuSE for several years).

Let's not forget that it was Novell that hammered the nails in
SCO's coffin.

Bill
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On Sep 15, 7:18 pm, Bill Campbell <b...@celestial.com> wrote:
> Let's not forget that it was Novell that hammered the nails in
> SCO's coffin.

Given that the current management at SCO Group took (a) the Santa Cruz
VAR channel and mixed it with (b) an at-the-time commercial-grade
Linux package, they should have had smooth sailing.

Instead they ran the company into the ground, then had the brilliant
idea of suing IBM over copyrights THEIR OWN PEOPLE told them weren't
theirs before they filed suit.

Given the amount of money IBM makes managing other companies' systems,
claiming they stole intellectual property is guaranteed to make them
respond with both barrels.

Novell's actions only pulled the curtain back from the scam being
pulled; lay the blame on Yarro and McBride for thinking IBM would just
throw money at them to go away.

At this point I'd be looking at something like Solaris x86 if I was
trying to keep support up in a true-UNIX environment. But I'd be more
likely to see which of Red Hat or Novell's Linux packages came closest
to what I needed.

[and before you jump on me as Yet Another Linux Loonie, I was *AT*
AT&T for twelve years, half of that at The Labs; seeing McBride using
the UNIX codebase as some sort of legal blackjack p*d me off more than
you can possibly conceive, especially as it came out just how thin
their case was going in]

On Sep 15, 7:41 am, "Boyle M. Owl"
<b...@all.spammers.to.hell.hull.and.halifax.entrop y.tmok.com> wrote:
....
> What are you all going to do when SCO software is completely unsupported?
> Novell "owns" the copyrights to SCO's Unix, and Novell wants you to go to
> Linux.
>
> --
> BMO

The possibilities are:
1. SCOg emerges from bankruptcy largely intact
2. SCOg emerges from bankruptcy with different ownership (creditors)
3. SCOg is liquidated with its assets (i.e., whatever the heck it was
that Novell sold to SCO) sold off.

In any of the alternatives UnixWare, OpenServer, and presumably ME
still exist, still run, and are still owned by someone. Indeed, since
any of the alternatives imply some sort of resolution of the lawsuits
and clarification of ownership the products might be better off.

The only outcome that might cause an immediate need to switch is if
someone buys it just to bury it. At the moment I'm thinking of Whole
Foods buying Wild Oats and immediately closing down our beloved
neighborhood store.

--RLR

On Sep 17, 1:38 pm, ThreeStar <s...@3starsoftware.com> wrote:
> The possibilities are:
> 1. SCOg emerges from bankruptcy largely intact
> 2. SCOg emerges from bankruptcy with different ownership (creditors)
> 3. SCOg is liquidated with its assets (i.e., whatever the heck it was
> that Novell sold to SCO) sold off.
>
> In any of the alternatives UnixWare, OpenServer, and presumably ME
> still exist, still run, and are still owned by someone. Indeed, since
> any of the alternatives imply some sort of resolution of the lawsuits
> and clarification of ownership the products might be better off.

Given that (a) the judge in SCO v. Novell confirmed that Novell holds
the UNIX copyrights, (b) the Novell -> Santa Cruz deal specifically
sends it all back to Novell if the other side goes bankrupt and (c)
that SCO owes some (likely major) percentage of the Sun & Microsoft
monies to Novell as SVRX fees, option 1 is very unlikely.

Option 3 is a non-starter since SCO never owned the copyrights; they
could sell whatever additions they made to the SVRX base for Unixware,
and their ME stuff, but how much is that actually worth?

Given Options 1 and 3 are shot, what's left for anyone to run under
option 2?

Novell technically has back the UNIX business from SCO as of the
Chapter 11 filing Friday. Their lawyers are arguing with the
bankruptcy judge to let Kimball back in Utah set the amount of money
owed them before proceeding with the Chapter 11, so the bankruptcy
judge will have the full financial story (plausible). SCOX is walking
dead; anyone not planning a migration to a more viable platform ASAP
is only fooling themselves.