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Hy,

I'm searching comparison (advantages, disadvantages) between
BSD,LINUX,WINDOWS.
What's the MTTF (Mean Time To Fealure) of this 3 OS ?
Why chose one instead of others ?
Does someone have objectives articles or book's name ?
Does someone have data on hardware : MTBF of the components ?

I want to calculate the probability of failure for hardware and
software to choose the better OS.

Thank you

Gauth

On 5 Oct 2004 00:31:59 -0700, hotips2002@yahoo.fr (Gauth) reported to
us:

>Hy,
>
>I'm searching comparison (advantages, disadvantages) between
>BSD,LINUX,WINDOWS.
>What's the MTTF (Mean Time To Fealure) of this 3 OS ?
>Why chose one instead of others ?
>Does someone have objectives articles or book's name ?
>Does someone have data on hardware : MTBF of the components ?
>
>I want to calculate the probability of failure for hardware and
>software to choose the better OS.
>
>Thank you
>
>Gauth


It seems like you have a lot of research to do, and no one is going to
do that for you. Get googling...


Wally

"No one has ever had an idea in a dress suit."
Sir Frederick G. Banting

Gauth wrote:

> Hy,
>
> I'm searching comparison (advantages, disadvantages) between
> BSD,LINUX,WINDOWS.
> What's the MTTF (Mean Time To Fealure) of this 3 OS ?
> Why chose one instead of others ?
> Does someone have objectives articles or book's name ?
> Does someone have data on hardware : MTBF of the components ?
>
> I want to calculate the probability of failure for hardware and
> software to choose the better OS.
>
>
Looks like a troll or someone who doesn't understand what they are asking.

Since the hardware will probably be identical you can ignore that.

As to the rest you'll probably find that MTBF (Mean Time Between Failures)
is probably more a function of the application with Linux and BSD. Since
you didn't specify which application (or which version of Windows) you'll
get no meaningful answer.

On 5 Oct 2004, Gauth wrote:

> What's the MTTF (Mean Time To Fealure) of this 3 OS ?

i can type reboot on my bsd box in about 1 second. it usually takes more
like 5 seconds for me to click start, shutdown, reboot on windows. hope
this helps.

--

Gauth wrote:
> Hy,
>
> I'm searching comparison (advantages, disadvantages) between
> BSD,LINUX,WINDOWS.
> What's the MTTF (Mean Time To Fealure) of this 3 OS ?

Depends if you call a reboot to install a new kernel/world/update/patch
a failure. The effect is the same btw, downtime. If you compare all the
OS on stable hardware and stable releases/functionality (for windows
it would be 2003).

Then you will find out (just as me) that the average is about the same
for all, that means that if you are security concerned and do all the
patching and updates, you'll have about the same downtime on all platforms.

> Why chose one instead of others ?

So if you want to make a good choice (and don't want to troll) then the
best platform of your choice is the best platform for your application
and the best application is that what does the job the best, perhaps you
should be asking yourself what job it is I want to get done and what
restrictions do I have (like budget, experience, personal, license,
performance, support)?


> Does someone have objectives articles or book's name ?
> Does someone have data on hardware : MTBF of the components ?
>
> I want to calculate the probability of failure for hardware and
> software to choose the better OS.

Don't calculate, get hands on experience with the different OS's, thats
about the best book on the subject available.
If that's not an option hire some one who has that experience already.

>
> Thank you
>
> Gauth

If you have answered the above mentioned questions for yourself then the
application platform of your choice would be pinpointed to the spot.
If you still don't know what platform to choose then I'm sorry to inform
you that you are incapable and to less informed to be in the position to
make a qualified choice.

--
mph

I use FreeBSD since 5 years. Never problems ! Some clients doesn't
understand why freebsd is better than linux for example. I will have
quantitative arguments to compare them both. I know Freebsd is more
secure, fast, updatable,... but if I have datas it will be more
objective. I have searched on google but no mttf exists between this 3
OS.

I have a comparison there :
http://www.webtechniques.com/archives/2001/01/infrrevu/

But no quantitative data .....

Thanks for your response

"Martin P. Hellwig" <mhellwig@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:<41632b86$0$43451$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
> Gauth wrote:
> > Hy,
> >
> > I'm searching comparison (advantages, disadvantages) between
> > BSD,LINUX,WINDOWS.
> > What's the MTTF (Mean Time To Fealure) of this 3 OS ?
>
> Depends if you call a reboot to install a new kernel/world/update/patch
> a failure. The effect is the same btw, downtime. If you compare all the
> OS on stable hardware and stable releases/functionality (for windows
> it would be 2003).
>
> Then you will find out (just as me) that the average is about the same
> for all, that means that if you are security concerned and do all the
> patching and updates, you'll have about the same downtime on all platforms.
>
> > Why chose one instead of others ?
>
> So if you want to make a good choice (and don't want to troll) then the
> best platform of your choice is the best platform for your application
> and the best application is that what does the job the best, perhaps you
> should be asking yourself what job it is I want to get done and what
> restrictions do I have (like budget, experience, personal, license,
> performance, support)?
>
>
> > Does someone have objectives articles or book's name ?
> > Does someone have data on hardware : MTBF of the components ?
> >
> > I want to calculate the probability of failure for hardware and
> > software to choose the better OS.
>
> Don't calculate, get hands on experience with the different OS's, thats
> about the best book on the subject available.
> If that's not an option hire some one who has that experience already.
>
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Gauth
>
> If you have answered the above mentioned questions for yourself then the
> application platform of your choice would be pinpointed to the spot.
> If you still don't know what platform to choose then I'm sorry to inform
> you that you are incapable and to less informed to be in the position to
> make a qualified choice.

In article <41632b86$0$43451$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
Martin P. Hellwig <mhellwig@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>Gauth wrote:
>> Hy,
>>
>> I'm searching comparison (advantages, disadvantages) between
>> BSD,LINUX,WINDOWS.
>> What's the MTTF (Mean Time To Fealure) of this 3 OS ?
>
>Depends if you call a reboot to install a new kernel/world/update/patch
>a failure. The effect is the same btw, downtime. If you compare all the
> OS on stable hardware and stable releases/functionality (for windows
>it would be 2003).
>
>Then you will find out (just as me) that the average is about the same
>for all, that means that if you are security concerned and do all the
>patching and updates, you'll have about the same downtime on all platforms.

Except for Windows habit of insisting on a reboot whenever you
install new programs. :-) I've never seen a unix box do that. (And, on
most there ways of getting it to recognize new hardware (e.g. external
SCSI drives) without rebooting, though the rebooting is the simple way
to do it.

Good Luck,
DoN.

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Gauth wrote:
> I use FreeBSD since 5 years. Never problems ! Some clients doesn't
> understand why freebsd is better than linux for example. I will have
> quantitative arguments to compare them both. I know Freebsd is more
> secure, fast, updatable,... but if I have datas it will be more
> objective. I have searched on google but no mttf exists between this 3
> OS.
>
<cut>
I disagree...

I'll give you some examples I met in the wild:
--
Client: I want a visual manageable Firewall and proxy which is aware of
my current infrastructure (Active Directory) and can be managed by my
replaceables MCSE'rs.
- Current advise use; MS ISA 2004 on Windows 2003, being member of the
domain but not a controller.
--
Client: I want a big cluster of Oracle's with good performance over
price, we will be mostly self supportive.
- Use a Linux distro.
--
Client: I want a well performing CIFS File server.
- Use Samba on FreeBSD-4 or Samba on Linux if you already familiar with it.
--
Client: I want a fail-over firewall on my 2 via fanless boxes and I
don't want a cisco box or the like (prize).
- OpenBSD with IP and CARP
--
Client: I have a coffee machine and searching for good free code-base to
develop my user interaction for the touchscreen, I want to keep the
source closed.
- NetBSD or Windows CE if free is not in the way of gratis.
--
Client: My secretary had it with MS, what can I get here and be still
able to read here documents?.
- That nice shiny new Mac pizza box.
--
Client: My current Unix(tm) provider is killing itself with lawsuits or
is going to kill itself in a other fashionable way. I really don't want
to throw away that in-house unix knowledge, I prefer a well documented
and thought out system.
- FreeBSD
--
Client: I want a homogeneous network at my university lab, but almost
all boxes are a different platform.
- NetBSD
--
Student: I really like unix, I tried Linux and FreeBSD, what fun can I
try next?
- DragonFlyBSD
--

The above advises are mostly rather sharp around the corner, it usually
takes talking a couple of times to the techies and the managers before
any solid decision can be made, be aware that those clients companies
are not in the tech sector and the computer power is mostly used for
administration system and Internet access.

But I also tend to use FreeBSD everywhere (like my laptop) because I am
the most comfortably with it.

Just my 2 eurocents.

--
mph

DoN. Nichols wrote:
> In article <41632b86$0$43451$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
> Martin P. Hellwig <mhellwig@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>>Gauth wrote:
>>
>>>Hy,
>>>
>>>I'm searching comparison (advantages, disadvantages) between
>>>BSD,LINUX,WINDOWS.
>>>What's the MTTF (Mean Time To Fealure) of this 3 OS ?
>>
>>Depends if you call a reboot to install a new kernel/world/update/patch
>>a failure. The effect is the same btw, downtime. If you compare all the
>> OS on stable hardware and stable releases/functionality (for windows
>>it would be 2003).
>>
>>Then you will find out (just as me) that the average is about the same
>>for all, that means that if you are security concerned and do all the
>>patching and updates, you'll have about the same downtime on all platforms.
>
>
> Except for Windows habit of insisting on a reboot whenever you
> install new programs. :-) I've never seen a unix box do that. (And, on
> most there ways of getting it to recognize new hardware (e.g. external
> SCSI drives) without rebooting, though the rebooting is the simple way
> to do it.
>
> Good Luck,
> DoN.
>

Well please then learn me your trick how you can install and use the
kernel without rebooting if I needed to rebuild it because of a sa?
for example:
FreeBSD-SA-04:15.syscons.asc, FreeBSD-SA-04:13.linux.asc,
FreeBSD-SA-04:11.msync.asc, and FreeBSD-SA-04:12.jailroute.asc.
So thats an average of rebooting my machine every month for the last 3
months.

--
mph

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