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I'n presently using Slackware ans was thinking about giving OpenBSD a
try when I found out there is no ISO. After a search at groups.google
I found out that this was The Rat's way of making some money to
finance development. The goal is just, but the way is plain stupid. I
mean, there is no way I'm going to pay USD $40.00 just to find out if
I like his stuff.

If I was easyly allowed to check... and liked it, I would be glad to
send him CAN $40 every second year afterward. But the guy seems so
little confident in the quality of his product that he won't let you
test it.

I did find a site on the net where it is explained how to create an
iso from the snapshot directory, which would go for the i386 directory
just the same, I suppose. (Excuse me for not giving the url, as I
suppose this would upset Mr The Rat and I certainly don't want to
prevent him from keeping his distro to the happy few and, maybe, to
the unhappy many.)

But, I'm not sure I want to take the pain to try an OS that works in
such a state of mind... mainly thinking I would then have to download
every application I need one by one. Silly!

My feeling is OpenBSD is going nowhere. Please, prove me wrong!

GP



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In article <3fa6bff5$1_3@corp.newsgroups.com>, GP wrote:
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> My feeling is OpenBSD is going nowhere. Please, prove me wrong!

If OpenBSD doesn't scratch your itch the right way, choose
another tree.

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Andreas Kähäri

"GP"

> My feeling is OpenBSD is going nowhere. Please, prove me wrong!

lmao...

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GP wrote:
> I'n presently using Slackware ans was thinking about giving OpenBSD a
> try when I found out there is no ISO. After a search at groups.google I
> found out that this was The Rat's way of making some money to finance
> development. The goal is just, but the way is plain stupid. I mean,
> there is no way I'm going to pay USD $40.00 just to find out if I like
> his stuff.
>
> If I was easyly allowed to check... and liked it, I would be glad to
> send him CAN $40 every second year afterward. But the guy seems so
> little confident in the quality of his product that he won't let you
> test it.
>
> I did find a site on the net where it is explained how to create an iso
> from the snapshot directory, which would go for the i386 directory just
> the same, I suppose. (Excuse me for not giving the url, as I suppose
> this would upset Mr The Rat and I certainly don't want to prevent him
> from keeping his distro to the happy few and, maybe, to the unhappy many.)
>
> But, I'm not sure I want to take the pain to try an OS that works in
> such a state of mind... mainly thinking I would then have to download
> every application I need one by one. Silly!
>
> My feeling is OpenBSD is going nowhere. Please, prove me wrong!
>
> GP
>
>
>
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Not using an operatingsystem just because it doesn't provide an .iso
file is just stupid. If you don't want to buy the cd just download the
os from any of the ftp mirrors. You can then burn a bootable cd from
those files or install it in any of the ways described in the docs on
www.openbsd.org.

If you want precompiled binaries of alot of apps there is also a
packages directory on the ftp's.

/Stefan

GP <gilpel@inverse.nretla.org> wrote:
> I'n presently using Slackware ans was thinking about giving OpenBSD a
> try when I found out there is no ISO. After a search at groups.google
> I found out that this was The Rat's way of making some money to
> finance development. The goal is just, but the way is plain stupid. I
> mean, there is no way I'm going to pay USD $40.00 just to find out if
> I like his stuff.

> If I was easyly allowed to check... and liked it, I would be glad to
> send him CAN $40 every second year afterward. But the guy seems so
> little confident in the quality of his product that he won't let you
> test it.

> I did find a site on the net where it is explained how to create an
> iso from the snapshot directory, which would go for the i386 directory
> just the same, I suppose. (Excuse me for not giving the url, as I
> suppose this would upset Mr The Rat and I certainly don't want to
> prevent him from keeping his distro to the happy few and, maybe, to
> the unhappy many.)

> But, I'm not sure I want to take the pain to try an OS that works in
> such a state of mind... mainly thinking I would then have to download
> every application I need one by one. Silly!

> My feeling is OpenBSD is going nowhere. Please, prove me wrong!

Can't you try an ftp install ? All you need is to download a
boot-diskette ?

You could pull down the distributions sets by ftp and have
your diskett install from them, but for your first try i
think ftp would be the simplest and fastest.


> GP



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On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:49:25 -0500, GP <gilpel@inverse.nretla.org> wrote:


>My feeling is OpenBSD is going nowhere. Please, prove me wrong!
>

Grow up you twat, it takes all of 30 mins to download/install over any
reasonable broadband connection.


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On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, GP wrote:

> I'n presently using Slackware ans was thinking about giving OpenBSD a
> try when I found out there is no ISO. After a search at groups.google

there's a small iso now for several platforms, check the 3.4 directory.


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GP wrote:
[...]
> But, I'm not sure I want to take the pain to try an OS that works in
> such a state of mind... mainly thinking I would then have to download
> every application I need one by one. Silly!
>
So install via ftp. You _do not_ have to "download every application
you need". This is the Linux way. The core OBSD install has everything
you need.

Extra stuff in the ports tree is only a pkg_add away.

> My feeling is OpenBSD is going nowhere. Please, prove me wrong!
*shrug* Your mind is already made up.

phn@icke-reklam.ipsec.nu wrote:

> Can't you try an ftp install ? All you need is to download a
> boot-diskette ?

Yes, I indeed could. My point is that, in the Linux world, when
distros decided to become popular, they began offering ISOs. I
believe Mandrake was the first one.

Now, here's a BSD that pretends to get more funds by not offering
ISOs. What's the reasoning? Have they got too much bandwidth and want
to make sure everybody makes its little ftp transfers?

What's the point? Here's a distro that calls itself "Open" and hides
the isos and even the details on how to make one. One wonders "What
next?" If the barest of instructions are hidden, how many more will be
hidden thereafter so that OpenBSD can make profit. I mean, I'm sure
DeRaatd can ssh to any computer in the world and install an smtp or
http secure server. Are some details hidden there too so that the
company can make more money?

What I mean is the philosophy behind OpenBSD seems to go berserk from
the beginning. Either you believe in what you're doing and you take
the plunge or you don't and you brew beer or whatever.

Yes, I could make an ftp install, but with such a spirit, I'm afraid
the road will prove bumpy. I might try to take take a plunge somewhere
else.

GP





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Stefan Johansson wrote:

> Not using an operatingsystem just because it doesn't provide an .iso
> file is just stupid. If you don't want to buy the cd just download the
> os from any of the ftp mirrors. You can then burn a bootable cd from
> those files or install it in any of the ways described in the docs on
> www.openbsd.org.

Where is it on the said site that you can find instructions on how to
make a bootable CD. Of course, though I never had to do this, I
believe it's possible to make a bootable CD with any CD with
X-cdroast. But I wonder if this would be adequate for BSD

Since you're so sure that there are many ways to burn a bootable CD on
the site, could you please provide the url and copy/paste here the
said procedure. I did find what one needs for booting from a floppy,
but I must have missed something on booting from a CD. All I could
find is:

4.3.3 - Making a CD-ROM

You can create a CD-ROM using either the cd34.iso file or, in the case
of the i386 platform, you can also use the cdrom34.fs as the bootable
floppy image that is used to boot an i386 system from CD-ROM. The
exact details here are left to the reader to determine with the tools
they have at their disposal.

Some of the tools in OpenBSD are:

* mkhybrid(8)
* cdrecord, part of the cdrtools collection in the OpenBSD Ports
System.

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From what I have read elsewhere, the problem is not to find the
"exact details" for "the tools at one's disposal", but to

mkdir OpenBSD
mkdir OpenBSD/3.4
mkdir OpenBSD/3.4/i386

then download the files to OpenBSD/3.4/i386

then and only then to make an ISO with

mkhybrid -r -b 3.4/i386/cdrom34.fs -c "boot.catalog" -o
OpenBSD_snapshot.iso OpenBSD

If so, what's this "tools at your disposal" shit if not plain
disinformation?

> If you want precompiled binaries of alot of apps there is also a
> packages directory on the ftp's.

Let me check... Indeed, you're right! For instance, they can be found
here:

ftp://ftp.openbsd.cz/pub/OpenBSD/3.4/packages/i386

But, tell me, how is a newbie supposed to know he will need
automake-1.4-p6p1.tgz or autossh-1.2d.tgz, or whatever?

So is it by any chance possible that all this easiness of installation
is in fact just a joke on newbies?

GP





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