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#1 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 11:31 AM

Hi all,

Does anyone know if IBM makes/made an rs6000
or P series machine that had the following characteristics:
virtualization
64 bit
multicore
Hoping for one that can be had used that I can put
SusePPC or Red Hat PPC verions on it.

thanks,
charles......

#2 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 11:31 AM

"***** charles" <shultzjrX@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:a%bPh.10514$JZ3.5033@newssvr13.news.prodigy.n et...
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know if IBM makes/made an rs6000
> or P series machine that had the following characteristics:
> virtualization
> 64 bit
> multicore
> Hoping for one that can be had used that I can put
> SusePPC or Red Hat PPC verions on it.

Yes I know this is an AIX group, but y'all seem to know
rs6000 hardware pretty well.

later....

#3 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 11:31 AM

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:05:03 -0600, ***** charles wrote:

> "***** charles" <shultzjrX@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:a%bPh.10514$JZ3.5033@newssvr13.news.prodigy.n et...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anyone know if IBM makes/made an rs6000
>> or P series machine that had the following characteristics:
>> virtualization
>> 64 bit
>> multicore
>> Hoping for one that can be had used that I can put
>> SusePPC or Red Hat PPC verions on it.
>
> Yes I know this is an AIX group, but y'all seem to know
> rs6000 hardware pretty well.
>
> later....

The answer is yes... I'm not sure if you can do much virtualization with
the Intellistation (workstation-class) boxes, but any other p5 system
ought to support virtualization of CPU, memory, and I/O to some greater or
lesser extent based on optional feature codes activated...

If you don't plan to buy a Hardware Management Console (HMC) to control
the partitioning of resources, your choices will be more limited...

-Chris

#4 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 11:32 AM

"Christopher Petersen" <cpetersen@crystallized-software.com> wrote
in message news

an.2007.04.01.23.17.33.321097@crystallized-software.com...
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:05:03 -0600, ***** charles wrote:
>
> > "***** charles" <shultzjrX@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:a%bPh.10514$JZ3.5033@newssvr13.news.prodigy.n et...
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Does anyone know if IBM makes/made an rs6000
> >> or P series machine that had the following characteristics:
> >> virtualization
> >> 64 bit
> >> multicore
> >> Hoping for one that can be had used that I can put
> >> SusePPC or Red Hat PPC verions on it.
> >
> > Yes I know this is an AIX group, but y'all seem to know
> > rs6000 hardware pretty well.
> >
> > later....
>
> The answer is yes... I'm not sure if you can do much virtualization with
> the Intellistation (workstation-class) boxes, but any other p5 system
> ought to support virtualization of CPU, memory, and I/O to some greater or
> lesser extent based on optional feature codes activated...
>
> If you don't plan to buy a Hardware Management Console (HMC) to control
> the partitioning of resources, your choices will be more limited...
>
> -Chris

Thanks for the response. What is the oldest machine that has the HMC that
you mentioned? Is it possible to get a "too old" machine on which I
would
like to install suse or readhat the 64 bit Power version? Intel is just
comming
out with VT technology and I am assuming that IBM has had that type of
technology for a while. Can a P machine have a VM manager running and
several OS's running all at the same time?

later,
charles....

#5 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 11:32 AM

For Virtualisation you are going to need a p5 with the correct CPU and
you will have to buy the feature on top .. why not browse online -->

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/p/hard...ess_entry.html

This is the cheapest with Virtualisation -->

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/p/hard...505/index.html

HTH
Mark Taylor

#6 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 11:32 AM

>
> If you don't plan to buy a Hardware Management Console (HMC) to control
> the partitioning of resources, your choices will be more limited...
>
> -Chris

Actually with IVM you should be ok. But you would want to make sure
that whatever HW you get is Micro-Partitioning and Virtual I/O Server
Capable (and enabled). With IVM, VIO and Micro-Partitioning you could
setup an LPAR environment where you could run multiple AIX or RHEL/
SUSE partitions simultaneously without an HMC and with minimal
Physical HW, i.e 1 NIC and one or two HD's. I would think that a 505
or 510 would be fine for that sort of setup.

I run a similar setup on a p510 with 4 dev environments (all AIX
though)...Dual proc w/ 16GB of RAM but I do have an HMC so I've never
actually used IVM.
of course I don't have any sort of heavy load on these guys, just a
couple of developers accessing DB2

Good luck, sounds like fun.

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