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Old 01-04-2008, 06:59 PM
Jae Klaasen
 
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Default Ultra10 vs 43p

Hi there,

Because I cannot afford any further SUN certification; anything beyond SCNA
requires a very silly and very expensive instructor led course, I've
decided to switch platforms. IBM seems to be quite attractive an
alternative to Solaris; the _entire_ IBM certification curriculum is
available in pdf format, free to download.

Switching OS would imply switching hardware.

Can anybody give me an educated 2 cents about whether swapping an "Ultra10
440Mhz" for an "RS/6000 43p model 140 233Mhz" would hardware wise
constitute a fair deal, given the same amount of memory and disk space in
both machines?

Jae.
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Old 01-04-2008, 06:59 PM
Ian Northeast
 
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Default Re: Ultra10 vs 43p

Jae Klaasen wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> Because I cannot afford any further SUN certification; anything beyond SCNA
> requires a very silly and very expensive instructor led course, I've
> decided to switch platforms. IBM seems to be quite attractive an
> alternative to Solaris; the _entire_ IBM certification curriculum is
> available in pdf format, free to download.
>
> Switching OS would imply switching hardware.
>
> Can anybody give me an educated 2 cents about whether swapping an "Ultra10
> 440Mhz" for an "RS/6000 43p model 140 233Mhz" would hardware wise
> constitute a fair deal, given the same amount of memory and disk space in
> both machines?


Reasonably equivalent at a rough guess. The Sun has, I think, a faster
CPU - I don't think the SPARC and the PPC differ that much in
performance/MHz. But the IBM has SCSI disks while the Sun has IDE which
IMO makes a difference.

A 43P 140 won't run the latest AIX (5.2) but the Ultra10 will run the
latest Solaris (9). This devalues the 43P somewhat. When AIX went from
5.1 to 5.2 a lot of old hardware got desupported. Sun have not done
anything like this yet.

Can't you keep the Sun and buy the 43P as well? They're only worth a few
hundred dollars each.

Regards, Ian
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Old 01-04-2008, 07:00 PM
Steve Nottingham
 
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Default Re: Ultra10 vs 43p

Ian Northeast <ian@house-from-hell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3F270631.7D15D4E8@house-from-hell.demon.co.uk>...
> Jae Klaasen wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Because I cannot afford any further SUN certification; anything beyond SCNA
> > requires a very silly and very expensive instructor led course, I've
> > decided to switch platforms. IBM seems to be quite attractive an
> > alternative to Solaris; the _entire_ IBM certification curriculum is
> > available in pdf format, free to download.
> >
> > Switching OS would imply switching hardware.
> >
> > Can anybody give me an educated 2 cents about whether swapping an "Ultra10
> > 440Mhz" for an "RS/6000 43p model 140 233Mhz" would hardware wise
> > constitute a fair deal, given the same amount of memory and disk space in
> > both machines?

>
> Reasonably equivalent at a rough guess. The Sun has, I think, a faster
> CPU - I don't think the SPARC and the PPC differ that much in
> performance/MHz. But the IBM has SCSI disks while the Sun has IDE which
> IMO makes a difference.
>
> A 43P 140 won't run the latest AIX (5.2) but the Ultra10 will run the
> latest Solaris (9). This devalues the 43P somewhat. When AIX went from
> 5.1 to 5.2 a lot of old hardware got desupported. Sun have not done
> anything like this yet.
>
> Can't you keep the Sun and buy the 43P as well? They're only worth a few
> hundred dollars each.
>
> Regards, Ian


AIX 5.1 will be supported for quite a long time yet, I think it's July
2005. For doing certification, the 43P will be fine as the
certifications are currently for 5.1

Steve
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Old 01-04-2008, 07:00 PM
Simon Edmonds
 
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Default Re: Ultra10 vs 43p

I'd suggest the 43p Model 150.... fully supported for AIX 5.2.

Regards,


"Steve Nottingham" <steve@wakefieldrfc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:42862645.0307300038.3fb8bd5e@posting.google.c om...
> Ian Northeast <ian@house-from-hell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

news:<3F270631.7D15D4E8@house-from-hell.demon.co.uk>...
> > Jae Klaasen wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > > Because I cannot afford any further SUN certification; anything beyond

SCNA
> > > requires a very silly and very expensive instructor led course, I've
> > > decided to switch platforms. IBM seems to be quite attractive an
> > > alternative to Solaris; the _entire_ IBM certification curriculum is
> > > available in pdf format, free to download.
> > >
> > > Switching OS would imply switching hardware.
> > >
> > > Can anybody give me an educated 2 cents about whether swapping an

"Ultra10
> > > 440Mhz" for an "RS/6000 43p model 140 233Mhz" would hardware wise
> > > constitute a fair deal, given the same amount of memory and disk space

in
> > > both machines?

> >
> > Reasonably equivalent at a rough guess. The Sun has, I think, a faster
> > CPU - I don't think the SPARC and the PPC differ that much in
> > performance/MHz. But the IBM has SCSI disks while the Sun has IDE which
> > IMO makes a difference.
> >
> > A 43P 140 won't run the latest AIX (5.2) but the Ultra10 will run the
> > latest Solaris (9). This devalues the 43P somewhat. When AIX went from
> > 5.1 to 5.2 a lot of old hardware got desupported. Sun have not done
> > anything like this yet.
> >
> > Can't you keep the Sun and buy the 43P as well? They're only worth a few
> > hundred dollars each.
> >
> > Regards, Ian

>
> AIX 5.1 will be supported for quite a long time yet, I think it's July
> 2005. For doing certification, the 43P will be fine as the
> certifications are currently for 5.1
>
> Steve



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Old 01-04-2008, 07:00 PM
Ian Northeast
 
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Default Re: Ultra10 vs 43p

Steve Nottingham wrote:
>
> Ian Northeast <ian@house-from-hell.demon.co.uk> wrote


> > A 43P 140 won't run the latest AIX (5.2) but the Ultra10 will run the
> > latest Solaris (9). This devalues the 43P somewhat.


> AIX 5.1 will be supported for quite a long time yet, I think it's July
> 2005. For doing certification, the 43P will be fine as the
> certifications are currently for 5.1


Agreed, what I meant was that the lack of support for 5.2 will bring
down the price of a model 140, which makes it the more suitable for the
OP's purpose as it appears that he has not got a lot of spare cash to
spend on it.

I feel it would be a pity if he had to get rid of his Ultra10 to buy an
RS/6000. As he appears to be seeking experience with a view to gainful
employment, keeping up his skills in Solaris while learning AIX would
seem to be worthwhile.

Regards, Ian
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