arghh....

Memo: Don't buy cheap backwater technology next time.....

I bought a Bell & Howell branded Dual Mode USB Digital Camera - The BH22.
This is so out of date that the jazz photo corp site doesn't list it any
more. Yes - The camera was built by Jazz Photo Corp (Who???!!).
3 Hours of googling on the web for it produced nothing. zip. nada.
Ok, so it only cost 30 quid (UK term for pounds), but it is a good webcam,
apart from the fact that it is TOTALLY unsupported under linux. So, more
rebooting into XP Pro just to download photo's, oh , and use kazaa. I
re-booted my slack box the other day after 16 days uptime for 10 minutes
use in windows. oh well. These things are sent to try us.

Simon

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most" - Ozzy Osbourne

Registered Linux User #306035

Bonzodog wrote:

> arghh....
>
> Memo: Don't buy cheap backwater technology next time.....
>
> I bought a Bell & Howell branded Dual Mode USB Digital Camera - The BH22.
> This is so out of date that the jazz photo corp site doesn't list it any
> more. Yes - The camera was built by Jazz Photo Corp (Who???!!).
> 3 Hours of googling on the web for it produced nothing. zip. nada.
> Ok, so it only cost 30 quid (UK term for pounds), but it is a good webcam,
> apart from the fact that it is TOTALLY unsupported under linux. So, more
> rebooting into XP Pro just to download photo's, oh , and use kazaa. I
> re-booted my slack box the other day after 16 days uptime for 10 minutes
> use in windows. oh well. These things are sent to try us.

If you are going to complain about still needing windows, maybe you don't
understand the point of Linux in the first place. It isn't about what's
best or bashing other operating systems: it's about using what we love or
prefer. BTW: Kazaa is 1) illegal if you're obtaining copyrighted material
or data, and 2) a grave security and privacy vulnerability in the first
place, due to all the spyware/adware it installs. Even then, to share
copyrighted information is to be found guilty of being an accessory to a
crime (or at least should be, since it makes no sense to share something
that's copyrighted so that others can steal it).

>
> Simon
>
> "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most" - Ozzy Osbourne
>
> Registered Linux User #306035

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NeoSadist wrote:
<snip>

I'm going to stick my pedantic bit in, Linux, although it seems to have
become the de facto nomenclature for the operating system it only
refers to the kernel. In reality it should be referred to as GNU/Linux
as it won't work with out the rest of the OS. Rant over!

--
Two Ravens
"...hit the squirrel!"

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:15:30 +0100, Two Ravens wrote:

> NeoSadist wrote:
> <snip>
>
> I'm going to stick my pedantic bit in, Linux, although it seems to have
> become the de facto nomenclature for the operating system it only
> refers to the kernel.

Which is correct.

> In reality it should be referred to as GNU/Linux

Hmn, you could use the BSD usermode tools instead of the GNU tools,
effectively makeing it Linux/BSD.

> as it won't work with out the rest of the OS.

What do you want out of an OS?
Running just a stripped-down kernel embedded - with some "home grown"
application, should be enough for many o' device.

> Rant over!

XFree86 is MIT licenced, Sendmail BSD, QT (needed by KDE) QPL, etc.

--
-Menno.

Menno Duursma wrote:

>> Rant over!
>
> XFree86 is MIT licenced, Sendmail BSD, QT (needed by KDE) QPL, etc.

It's just that I'm a convert to the Richard Stallman cult, and you know
how bad converts are, I've stopped smoking as well!
--
Two Ravens
"...hit the squirrel!"

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:36:21 +0100, Two Ravens wrote:

> Menno Duursma wrote:
>
>>> Rant over!
>>
>> XFree86 is MIT licenced, Sendmail BSD, QT (needed by KDE) QPL, etc.
>
> It's just that I'm a convert to the Richard Stallman cult, and you know
> how bad converts are, I've stopped smoking as well!

In Slackware-9.0, out of some 408 packages a grand total of less than 80
originated at FSF, less than 20%. Where in hell does Stallman get the
nerve to call that GNU/Linux?

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typed the following text on 2003-10-06:

> In Slackware-9.0, out of some 408 packages a grand total of less than 80
> originated at FSF, less than 20%. Where in hell does Stallman get the
> nerve to call that GNU/Linux?
>
And how many are actually Linux? 3, maybe 4 if you count
module-init-tools. I think Stallman is in his right to call it
GNU/Linux, unless you can point out a greater source of software,
*needed* for *basic* functionality. I don't think you can, I don't
think there is one.

Try installing a functioning Linux-system without *any* GNU software,
we'll see how far you'll get.

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Play Rogue, visit exotic locations, meet strange creatures
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Bartosz Oudekerk wrote:

> Try installing a functioning Linux-system without *any* GNU software,
> we'll see how far you'll get.

I am of the opinion that gcc is quite influential in Linux kerneled
operating systems. Is not gcc an FSF product? I have been informed that
'Hurd' plus Emacs plus a few other FSF products could possibly produce
a quite useful complete operating system. However this is all somewhat
outside my field of expertise and/or experience, so I am relying on the
word of one I trust. I am still of the opinion that due credit should
be given to GNU!
--
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"...hit the squirrel!"

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:36:21 +0100, Two Ravens wrote:
>> It's just that I'm a convert to the Richard Stallman cult, and you know
>> how bad converts are, I've stopped smoking as well!

Congratulations on both counts, 2R.

In article <pan.2003.10.06.16.41.49.830587@yahoo.com>,
Dave Uhring wrote:
> In Slackware-9.0, out of some 408 packages a grand total of less than 80
> originated at FSF, less than 20%. Where in hell does Stallman get the
> nerve to call that GNU/Linux?

Well, how many of the 80% rely on some kind of functionality of a GNU
package ... picking a random one out of my hat ... glibc? How many of
the 80% would even EXIST if there had not been a GNU framework on which
to build?

No, I wouldn't say that's "nerve". I consider it quite reasonable.
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to have typed the following text on 2003-10-06:

> Bartosz Oudekerk wrote:
>
>> Try installing a functioning Linux-system without *any* GNU software,
>> we'll see how far you'll get.
>
> I am of the opinion that gcc is quite influential in Linux kerneled
> operating systems. Is not gcc an FSF product? I have been informed that

It is.

> 'Hurd' plus Emacs plus a few other FSF products could possibly produce
> a quite useful complete operating system. However this is all somewhat

As I understand it (it's also outside my field of expertise), the Hurd
is functional, it just doesn't have support for stuff like soundcards
accelerated video and other bells and wistles.

> outside my field of expertise and/or experience, so I am relying on the
> word of one I trust. I am still of the opinion that due credit should
> be given to GNU!

It should[0].

Welcome to the cult.


[0] although I must admit, I often tend to say Linux myself, and only
afterwards do I think: "Damn, that should've been GNU/Linux"

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Bartosz Oudekerk

Play Rogue, visit exotic locations, meet strange creatures
and kill them.
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