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I was using redhat 9.0 until I switched back to slackware. using
Redhat for a while did help me get familiarize with linux, may be that
it was because I had a book on linux which used redhat as its
refference.

it would be better if people (people can relate to just anyone) used
redhat suse or mandrake(from what i've read mandrake doesnt live upto
expectiations) rather than sticking to Windows.

the only problem i have with slackware is there website. its not
specific and not descriptive enough. ie if you wanna look up something
ie a package u gotta search by its package name ie kdeuint-134-35 and
so on instead of if ur looking for the kworldclock if u typed clock
nothing comes up but toys yes. and if ur new to slackware most people
would mess up things than come up with solutions . no gripes but its
true

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:57:45 -0700, marsques wrote:

> the only problem i have with slackware is there website. its not
> specific and not descriptive enough.

No one here has anything to do with Slackware in any official sense, nor
do we have any say on what the website looks like. Whining here will not
make a difference.

> ie if you wanna look up something
> ie a package u gotta search by its package name ie kdeuint-134-35 and
> so on instead of if ur looking for the kworldclock if u typed clock
> nothing comes up but toys yes.

Ok tell me, why do you switch from using the word "you" to using the
nonsense character "u"? Please GAFC and learn to type. No, "u" is not
shorthand for "ur". U.... Errr...... You will receive much better replies
if you phrase your English in proper terms. While I understand your
ingnorant shorthand myself, others (perhaps particularly people for whom
English is a second language) may not.

Now, as for searching for a package, why don't you read the Good Book and
the FAQ which is posted here daily? Had you done a simple google search on
this newsgroup to learn how to search for a package which contains a given
file, you would have undoubtably found your answer.

> and if ur new to slackware most people
> would mess up things than come up with solutions . no gripes but its
> true

What? Let me try to piece this inane babble together. If I am a newbie
concerning slackware, then I am more likely to mess things up instead of
working out solutions? Let me rephrase this for you in something even
more true.

if [ "${USER}" = "newbie" ]; then
echo "${USER} is more likely to screw up things than a professional."
fi

There. See, being a newbie means you are more likely to screw things up
than some one who has years of experience, regaurdless of whether you're
talking about the Slackware Operating System, the GNU/Linux community, or
copper pipe fitting.

--
It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise,
Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5

On 2003-07-27,
marsques <marsques@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I was using redhat 9.0 until I switched back to slackware.

Welcome back.

> the only problem i have with slackware is there website. its not
> specific and not descriptive enough.

I quite like it. It's fast, to-the-point and marketing-babble free. I
would also rather a small site over slower Slackware development, which
I imagine is a trade-off that's happening. I'm not particularly keen on
the propaganda page however.

> ie if you wanna look up something
> ie a package u gotta search by its package name ie kdeuint-134-35 and
> so on instead of if ur looking for the kworldclock if u typed clock
> nothing comes up but toys yes.

Why not suggest such features to the webmaster? (In case you didn't
know, you could do the same by using grep in /var/log/packages or
following the FAQ entry about finding out which package contains what
you're looking for).

--
Mark Hill <mark_usenet@yahoo.co.uk>

On 27 Jul 2003 13:57:45 -0700, marsques <marsques@yahoo.com> wrote:
> the only problem i have with slackware is there website. its not
> specific and not descriptive enough.

What part of it isn't descriptive enough? When you reported the full
details of the problem with the web site to Pat, what was his reply?

> ie if you wanna look up something
> ie a package u gotta search by its package name ie kdeuint-134-35 and
> so on instead of if ur looking for the kworldclock if u typed clock
> nothing comes up but toys yes.

There is a FAQ entry on how to find out which package a particular file
is in. You'd do well to read the whole FAQ, though. It's at:
<URL:http://wombat.san-francisco.ca.us/cgi-bin/fom/>.


--
Simon <simon@no-dns-yet.org.uk> **** GPG: F4A23C69
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty."
- Douglas Adams

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:57:45 -0700, marsques wrote:

> I was using redhat 9.0 until I switched back to slackware. using Redhat
> for a while did help me get familiarize with linux, may be that it was
> because I had a book on linux which used redhat as its refference.
>
> it would be better if people (people can relate to just anyone) used
> redhat suse or mandrake(from what i've read mandrake doesnt live upto
> expectiations) rather than sticking to Windows.
>
> the only problem i have with slackware is there website. its not
> specific and not descriptive enough. ie if you wanna look up something
> ie a package u gotta search by its package name ie kdeuint-134-35 and so
> on instead of if ur looking for the kworldclock if u typed clock nothing
> comes up but toys yes. and if ur new to slackware most people would mess
> up things than come up with solutions . no gripes but its true


You are not ready for slackware. Save yourself a lot of trouble and go
buy a Mac. Then you can be a hip non-confirmist without actually being
responsible for your decisions.

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In article <pan.2003.07.28.00.26.08.473280@hotmail.com>, thrugoodmarshall wrote:
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> You are not ready for slackware. Save yourself a lot of trouble and go
> buy a Mac. Then you can be a hip non-confirmist without actually being
> responsible for your decisions.

Actually, you can do quite a bit with a Mac. OS X doesn't suck nearly as
much as OS < X. It's FreeBSD under the hood, and the Fink package helps
installing the normal un*x tools quite nicely. Or you can install linux
onto your Mac. Talk about being a nonconformist!

- --keith

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kkeller-mmmspam@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us
(try just my userid to email me)
alt.os.linux.slackware FAQ: http://wombat.san-francisco.ca.us/cgi-bin/fom

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:57:45 -0700, marsques wrote:

> I was using redhat 9.0 until I switched back to slackware. using
> Redhat for a while did help me get familiarize with linux, may be that
> it was because I had a book on linux which used redhat as its
> refference.
>
> it would be better if people (people can relate to just anyone) used
> redhat suse or mandrake(from what i've read mandrake doesnt live upto
> expectiations) rather than sticking to Windows.
>
> the only problem i have with slackware is there website. its not
> specific and not descriptive enough. ie if you wanna look up something
> ie a package u gotta search by its package name ie kdeuint-134-35 and
> so on instead of if ur looking for the kworldclock if u typed clock
> nothing comes up but toys yes. and if ur new to slackware most people
> would mess up things than come up with solutions . no gripes but its
> true

Well let me tell you this, do you think all the Windows Gurus learned
everything about Windows from ONE book? No they read many a book and
screwed things up enough to know not to do it again. The same goes for
Linux, you can't learn everything about it from one source, and yes you
will screw it up some times but that is how you learn-unless you would
rather have it beat into you.

So intead of using valubale time writting about this, read more. You will
be amazed at what you can find.

to use windows you dont need to read any books. Everything is GUI no
need to mess around with DOS as with linux no knowledge of linux
commands u cant do much with linux as its not the case with M$ Stuff.
most computer literate folks were brought up using M$ based packages
in em days using *nix's on Home computers where uncommon, now there
are more linux home pcs more than Macs. The mac's even more
proprietier than M$ at least with a M$ machine u can get rid of the
damn thing and install windows and plenty of people to gie support.

But ma point is still that slackware is not for newbies... give a
Redhat or Suse CD to an average Windows user or even an exprienced
windows user with no knowledge of linux... they'd be more succesfull
in installing redhat and suse and running it than with slackware...

In news:77c5cbfa.0307291120.3ea67f20@posting.google.c om,
marsques <marsques@yahoo.com> rambled:

> most computer literate folks were brought up using M$ based packages

computer literate ? M$ ? I don't see the connection.

Billy

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In article <77c5cbfa.0307291120.3ea67f20@posting.google.com >, marsques wrote:
>
> But ma point is still that slackware is not for newbies.

s/(newbies)/clueless $1/g;

and I'll agree with you. Slackware was my second distro--I tried
RedHat (in 1996), but it was too hard because you had to do everything
RedHat's way or risk breaking things. Slackware is nice and standard.

Of course, now that I have more of a clue, I can risk not using RH's
tools on a RH system, because I know how to do it. IOW, my Slackware
experience transferred to other distros (even other un*xes--I admin'd
a Solaris box once, and now admin two SGI's and a handful of OS X
boxes). Would RedHat experience transfer to HP-UX? Not bloody
likely.

> .. give a
> Redhat or Suse CD to an average Windows user or even an exprienced
> windows user with no knowledge of linux... they'd be more succesfull
> in installing redhat and suse and running it than with slackware...

That's fine, as long as they stop running Windows!

My point is that distributions have their own target audiences. RedHat
targets users who want an environment very similar to Windows.
Slackware doesn't target that audience. Is that really a problem?

- --keith

- --
kkeller-mmmspam@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us
(try just my userid to email me)
alt.os.linux.slackware FAQ: http://wombat.san-francisco.ca.us/cgi-bin/fom

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