On 2008-07-04, Kees Theunissen <theuniss@rijnh.nl> wrote:
> Jim Diamond wrote:
>> On 2008-07-04, Bar <cdbaric@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Kees Theunissen wrote:
>>>> Hmm, not bad. 40 Megabytes per second.
>>>> This server is located on "surfnet"; the high speed network that
>>>> connects the dutch universities and research organizations.
>>>> I have a 1 Gbit/s uplink to "surfnet". YMMV :-)
>>> I'm impressed.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, here in Canada we have no surfnet, more's the pity.
>>
>> We have CA*net. You might not have access to it, but it's there.
>>
>> Mind you, as I would infer from Kees' message, the average Dutch
>> person doesn't have access to surfnet.
>
> That depends on your definition of "having access".
> The SURF Foundation isn't an ISP and doesn't provide internet
> connectivity to end users.
Nor (AFAIK) does CA*net.
> But surfnet isn't an isolated network. It's part of the global
> internet and it's pretty well connected to the rest of the world
> (see for instance
> http://www.surfnet.nl/en/netwerk/Pages/external.aspx). And that
> makes this server (ftp.nlluug.nl or ftp.surfnet.nl) a good mirror
> for the average Dutch person - I'm sure it's fast enough to
> completely fill an ADSL line regardless of the ISP in use.
> Customers of Xs4all -the biggest Dutch ISP- should probably use
> dl.xs4all.nl (or download.xs4all.nl) though, not because it's faster
> but because it won't be slower and it will reduce the provider's
> external traffic.
Huh. My (admittedly imperfect) understanding of CA*net is that it
doesn't handle too much traffic coming from or going to commercial
sites. For example, if I want to send a packet from my university to
the other side of the country, it could get routed across the country
via CA*net and then jump out to commercial networks at the other end,
but what actually happens is that the packet goes out our commercial
connection and makes its way across the country via commercial
networks.

That could be a local policy decision, but I think that is the overall
CA*net policy.

As your web page points out, half of the traffic is external. But
since the web page talks about other (international) research networks
(such as CA*net, altho that one is not mentioned), I wonder how much
of the traffic goes to commercial ISPs.

Cheers.

Jim

On 2008-07-05, Grant <g_r_a_n_t_@dodo.com.au> wrote:

> Bugger, I don't even think of dialup speeds since I switched to ADSL in 2004

Yeah, I had cable for the last 10 yrs, but recently moved to rural America.
Tried 2 dial-ups, both 2.6K/s for extended anything, till I dicovered I
could get DSL. Those were dark days.

nb

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:50:41 +1000 (EST), Res <res@ausics.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Grant wrote:
>
>> Yeah well, some enjoy broader broadband than I do
>
> are you on 256/64 ? you must be to get 32 K else you got problems,
>well if you use pacnet and get that speed you got problems

No, I'm on 512/128 ADSL, but bandwidth limit large transfers so they don't
interfere with other access -- I'm happy with a DVD .iso taking 40 hours

Besides the ISPs here define 512kpbs as total data + framing so we lose the
1/7 ATM framing bandwidth -- lucky to see 56kByte/s raw download rate.

Grant.
--
http://bugsplatter.mine.nu/

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008, Grant wrote:

> Besides the ISPs here define 512kpbs as total data + framing so we lose the
> 1/7 ATM framing bandwidth -- lucky to see 56kByte/s raw download rate.

Yeah I'm in Oz,
ADSL2 - N/A (coz each supplier is different) but since ADSL1 is still
most common coz of hel$tra -

The way the ports are config'd :
8m - anything
1500/256 should see 165-170kB / 28-32 kB
512/128 should see 64kB / 16kB
256/64 should see 32kB / 8kB

Of course depending on your line conditions, I've seen some ADSL1 8m
circuits produce only 1500/256 speeds because of quality, and the only
ADSL2 circuits I'd trust are Optus's.

--
Cheers
Res
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