Realto wrote:
> Olive <olive001@tele2allin.be> trolled:
>>> It is possible to have non good antialised fonts in Linux but it ask
>>> some work (I have done it because I couldn't get used to these blurry
>>> fonts). You can loo at a screenshot of my configuration here (the
>>> screenshot is on KDE with another distribution but I have tested it with
>>> gnome and Slackware as well). If you are interested I could post a small
>>> howto (but apparently very few people are interested).
>>>
>>> Olive
>
>> Just forget the screenshot:
>
>> http://www.geocities.com/evilosser/n...alised-kde.jpg
>
> We spoke too soon. It looks ok, but why would it be difficult to
> achieve? Don't you just have to turn the antialias stuff off?
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm

No just turning off the antialiasing would give very crappy result. To
achieve such look, you have too:

1) Recompile the freetype with the bytecode enabled (in the last
Slackware package; it is just an option to uncomment 5n the Slackbuild
script).

2) Get Microsoft fonts (if you do not have them; download them from:
http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ )

3) Install tham: for this you have to put in a directory
/usr/share/fonts/msttcorefonts (for example) and add the path in
/etc/fonts/font.conf in order that the ms fonts are seen from
applications using the freetype library (but do not add the path in
/etc/xorg/xorg.conf since the Xserver is only able to give crappy ttf
fonts; it is better that apps that do not use freetype just find the
standard pixels fonts).

4) Edit the freetype configuration files in order that the system choose
the Microsoft fonts for the generic aliases serif; sans serif etc (find
the entry in /etc/fonts/font.conf that tell which fonts to choose for
them and put the microsoft fonts in front of the list; for example for
the serif fonts:
<alias>
<family>serif</family>
<prefer>
<family>Times New Roman</family>
<family>DejaVu Serif</family>
<family>Bitstream Vera Serif</family>
<family>Thorndale AMT</family>
<family>Luxi Serif</family>
<family>Nimbus Roman No9 L</family>
<family>Times</family>
</prefer>
</alias>


5) Disable antialising but just for the Microsoft fonts (the other fonts
look really bad non antialiased; if for some reason an app explicitly
request such a font; render it antialiased); and leave the antialiasing
enabled for big fonts: add the following entry in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf:

<match target="font">
<test name="family" qual="any">
<string>Times new roman</string>
<string>Tahoma</string>
<string>Arial</string>
<string>Courier New</string>
<string>Verdana</string>
<string>Andale Mono</string>
<string>Georgia</string>
<string>Trebuchet MS</string>
</test>
<test name="pixelsize" compare="less_eq">
<double>18</double>
</test>
<edit name="antialias">
<bool>false</bool>
</edit>
</match>


(if you use KDE; you have to ensure that this entry get read after
$HOME/.fonts.conf; since KDE put antialiasing setting in this file that
you must override).

Olive

Olive <olive001@tele2allin.be> trolled:

>No just turning off the antialiasing would give very crappy result. To
>achieve such look, you have too:

>1) Recompile the freetype with the bytecode enabled (in the last
>Slackware package; it is just an option to uncomment 5n the Slackbuild
>script).

>2) Get Microsoft fonts (if you do not have them; download them from:
>http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ )

>3) Install tham: for this you have to put in a directory
>/usr/share/fonts/msttcorefonts (for example) and add the path in
>/etc/fonts/font.conf in order that the ms fonts are seen from
>applications using the freetype library (but do not add the path in
>/etc/xorg/xorg.conf since the Xserver is only able to give crappy ttf
>fonts; it is better that apps that do not use freetype just find the
>standard pixels fonts).

>4) Edit the freetype configuration files in order that the system choose
>the Microsoft fonts for the generic aliases serif; sans serif etc (find
>the entry in /etc/fonts/font.conf that tell which fonts to choose for
>them and put the microsoft fonts in front of the list; for example for
>the serif fonts:
> <alias>
> <family>serif</family>
> <prefer>
> <family>Times New Roman</family>
> <family>DejaVu Serif</family>
> <family>Bitstream Vera Serif</family>
> <family>Thorndale AMT</family>
> <family>Luxi Serif</family>
> <family>Nimbus Roman No9 L</family>
> <family>Times</family>
> </prefer>
> </alias>


>5) Disable antialising but just for the Microsoft fonts (the other fonts
>look really bad non antialiased; if for some reason an app explicitly
>request such a font; render it antialiased); and leave the antialiasing
>enabled for big fonts: add the following entry in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf:
>
> <match target="font">
> <test name="family" qual="any">
> <string>Times new roman</string>
> <string>Tahoma</string>
> <string>Arial</string>
> <string>Courier New</string>
> <string>Verdana</string>
> <string>Andale Mono</string>
> <string>Georgia</string>
> <string>Trebuchet MS</string>
> </test>
> <test name="pixelsize" compare="less_eq">
> <double>18</double>
> </test>
> <edit name="antialias">
> <bool>false</bool>
> </edit>
> </match>


>(if you use KDE; you have to ensure that this entry get read after
>$HOME/.fonts.conf; since KDE put antialiasing setting in this file that
>you must override).

Well done! Thanks.

cordially, as always,

rm

matthew871@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 6, 2:30 am, Mikhail Zotov <invalid_mux...@lenta.ru> wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:21:57 -0000
>>
>> matthew...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Is "gnu" really pronounced "guh-noo"? Doesn't anyone else find this
>>> like really really gay?
>> "
>> GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not Unix"; it is pronounced guh-noo, approximately like canoe.
>> "
>> [http://www.gnu.org/]
>>
>> HTH ;-)
>>
>> Mikhail
>
> Why does gnu.org use an anti-aliased font? blurriness is preferable?

Because using good non antialiased font require to use the non free (but
available legally at no cost; see my other messages) Microsoft fonts
(and using a patented algorithm; the reason for having to recompile
freetype; since there are no software patent in my country; I do not
care); which is unacceptable for GNU. Just look at their css:

[...]

@import url('/gnu.css');

@media screen{

body{
padding: 0;
margin: 0;
font-family: "Bitstream Vera Sans", sans-serif;
font-size: 86%;
background-color: #fff;
}

[...]

The Bitstream Vera Sans font is the only free (in the FSF) sense
suitable sans-serif ttf font; so they have chosen for Gnome by default
and they mentioned it explicitly in their css. IMHO; I think they should
better just having mentioned sans-serif to take the default system
sans-serif font.

That said; a lot of people seems to like antialiased fonts; I personnaly
think that it is horrible for text where i by far prefer the sharpness
and the contrast of aliased fonts; but it is just my opinion.

Olive

Olive

In newsgroup alt.os.linux.slackware, Olive wrote:

[]
>>>http://www.geocities.com/evilosser/n...alised-kde.jpg
>>
[]
>
> 1) Recompile the freetype with the bytecode enabled (in the last
> Slackware package; it is just an option to uncomment 5n the Slackbuild
> script).
[snip rest of instructions]

Great stuff. Thank you very much Olive. Your instruction are now archived
to be implemented at a later date on my systems. Regards.

Joe

On Jul 6, 11:30 am, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:21:57 +0000, matthew871 wrote:
> > Is "gnu" really pronounced "guh-noo"? Doesn't anyone else find this
> > like really really gay?
> > I want to get into Linux, but it's just so nerdy. Thanks in advance.
>
> Sure, it should be pronounced 'new', but then your standard response to a
> question would probably end up being "new - that's spelled g-n-u" - it's
> easier this way, trust me.
>
> If it's 'so nerdy' that's your call. FYI, we're running linux on nine
> computers at the local library for the public access internet stations. So
> far no one has complained (after a year and a half) and everyone has
> adapted quite easily. Initial install and configuration can be slightly
> daunting, but that's primarily because it's a little different. IMHO,
> Linux is usually easier to install - you don't need to muck with all the
> 'driver disks'. Once it's set, software is certainly easier to install -
> just fire up the GUI package management utility, search for what you want,
> click 'select' and click 'install' - does not get much easier than that.
>
>
>
> > ps. I am *not* a troll -- I just spent $66 on Slack 12. But... I *am*
> > a Gnome. I prefer it to KDE! Even with its stupid, blurry-ass fonts.
> > Still all the graphical window managers I've seen look really dumb,
> > and I prefer the Win98 / XP Classic look so much more, because it
> > seems serious and business-like.
>
> Hey - if you're satisfied - stick with it. IMHO you'd probably be better
> off with Ubuntu - which Canonical will happily send you for free. It's a
> little more 'refined' and 'MS-like'.

Liking Slackware quite a bit more than Ubuntu and I think I may use it
for a long time. Thanks everybody for the input.

ray <ray@zianet.com> writes:

> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:21:57 +0000, matthew871 wrote:
>
>> Is "gnu" really pronounced "guh-noo"? Doesn't anyone else find this
>> like really really gay?
>> I want to get into Linux, but it's just so nerdy. Thanks in advance.
>
> Sure, it should be pronounced 'new', but then your standard response to a
> question would probably end up being "new - that's spelled g-n-u" - it's
> easier this way, trust me.
>
> If it's 'so nerdy' that's your call. FYI, we're running linux on nine
> computers at the local library for the public access internet
> stations. So

libraryStoryTold ++;