Joerg <jstadermann@see_signature.net> wrote:
> rm@biteme.org wrote:
>
>> ...will go down in history as one of the most fucked up kernels
>> ever released.
>>
>> We can't even get the damn kernel to install modules upon boot.
>> In fact, the only way we can load any module is with insmod.
>>
> <snip>
>
> Hm, I'm using 2.6.20 with some modules, including ALSA and they
> load at boot w/o problems. Have you by any chance forgotten to
> enable automatic kernel modul loading?

Nope. We did have some problems with the new module utilities but
that should be straightened out by now...

A quick google search shows that a ton of people have had the same
problem and surprisingly few report success with the advice they are
given.

cordially, as always,

rm

Joerg wrote:

> Have you by any chance forgotten to
> enable automatic kernel modul loading?
>

Forget this one, we are talking about loading at boot time. But
what about /etc/rc.d/rc.modules, do you have entries for ALSA in
there?

Joerg
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rm@biteme.org <rm@biteme.org> wrote:
>
> A quick google search shows that a ton of people have had the same
> problem and surprisingly few report success with the advice they are
> given.

A "ton" of people are always having trouble getting their kernel compiled
and installed. You sound like a little bitch - you are suddenly having
problems, all frustrated, and of course it isn't due to being the
resident moron.

- Kurt

Sylvain Robitaille wrote:

> rm@biteme.org wrote:
>
>> As you can see in the headers, we are having no problems using
>> 2.6.20 except for sound (AC'97). The Alsa website claims that the
>> 2.6.x kernels need the drivers compiled as modules to work.
>
> Hrmmm ... that advice may be out of date. My current music
> workstation, running Slackware-10.2:
>

I haven't looked to closely at the documentation. Could the documentation
be missing a few qualifiers? Are the alsa drivers developed outside of the
kernel and merged into the kernel later. Possibly the alsa drivers that
are downloaded with the kernel could be built in or compiled as modules,
but the drivers downloaded from alsa-project.org are module only.


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ed

Joerg <jstadermann@see_signature.net> wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
>
>> Have you by any chance forgotten to
>> enable automatic kernel modul loading?
>>
>
> Forget this one, we are talking about loading at boot time. But
> what about /etc/rc.d/rc.modules, do you have entries for ALSA in
> there?

Ah! Had it named as something else! (blush!) Modules now loading.

Thanks. Duh.

Ok, let's hear the abuse...

cordially, as always,

rm

Ed Wilson wrote:

> Possibly the alsa drivers that are downloaded with the kernel could be
> built in or compiled as modules, but the drivers downloaded from
> alsa-project.org are module only.

I'm fairly certain that was true at one time (pre-alsa-1.0), but I've
not downloaded ALSA separately from the kernel in quite a while (at
least a year, probably longer), therefore don't know if it's still true.

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CBFalconer wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>>
>>> We can't even get the damn kernel to install modules upon boot.
>>> In fact, the only way we can load any module is with insmod.
>> Why do you write in the first person plural all the time. Are you
>> one half of siamese twins? You're YOU, ME, I, one person.
>
> rm is a known troll. Please do not feed it.
>
would that be "RM are known trolls. Please do not feed them."

rm@biteme.org wrote:

> Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:38:32 +0000, rm wrote:
>
>>> As you can see in the headers, we are having no problems using
>>> 2.6.20 except for sound (AC'97). The Alsa website claims that the
>>> 2.6.x kernels need the drivers compiled as modules to work. But
>>> each time we try to load the modules, which have compiled ok, we get
>>> errors.
>>
>> Horseshit. The ALSA drivers don't need to be modules. I've got
>> multiple machines here with ALSA enabled in the kernel, no
>> modules, and sound works fine on all of them.
>
> Read the Alsa site about their AC'97 drivers. Do you think you can
> find it?
>
> BTW: did you feel your head being squeezed?
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/

"There are two ways of getting Linux drivers to work, you can either compile
them into the kernel or build them separately as modules."

Yes I found it, yes it says you can do modules or in the kernel.

Peter wrote:
> Why do you write in the first person plural all the time. Are you one half
> of siamese twins? You're YOU, ME, I, one person.

I've often wondered that, from the posts it does not sound like there is a
team working over there.

It sounds more like schizophrenia / split personality disorder.

My preciousssssss

rm@biteme.org wrote:

> ...will go down in history as one of the most fucked up kernels
> ever released.
No it wont.

> This is pathetic.
Not for those who have a basic idea of how to install it correctly.

> Linux is very, very, close to death.
Why even bother saying something like that, it's obvious it's very far from
reality.

Generally people appear to want to help others out on this ng, but what's
the point in throwing your toys out the pram just because you've made a
mistake.

All that it needed was "I'm having this issue blah with kernel blah on
system blah, any ideas?"
And then its a good idea to respond nicely to the suggestions, rather
than "dehhh, thats a crap suggestion".
No point slating a suggestion, however trivial, especially when it turns out
the answer was down to a trivial mistake.

There's just no need for it.