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These days, there are two kinds of Linux runners. Thanks to the
corporate-sponsored yuppy geeks at KDE/Gnome/freedesktop.org and
the distros that support those Windows-clone user-interfaces,

There are the true Linux runners, who want to learn Linux and to
share their knowledge with others and/or write-maintain the free,
open-source software that makes Linux possible.

And there are the false Linux runners who simply want a
free operating system and free technical support, who
don't care about learning Linux and don't have any intention
of doing their fair share of the work needed to maintain
Linux. Or of donating to the developers and maintainers of
the software they use.

They just want to watch videos and listen to music and shop
and play video games and engage in mindless chatter with IM
and IRC and on web forums, etc.

The false Linux runners are destroying Linux, which is precisely
why the corporations have put 10's of millions of dollars into
KDE and the like.

They know the couch potatos won't take the time to learn Linux
from the command line (note that I am not talking about Linux
without X, which I use) and they won't learn to type because
they need one hand free for their beer, cigarettes, junkfood,
cellphone, or whatever else they are consuming while they click
and point with the other hand.

The corporations really want that other hand free to consume...

And they really _don't_ want people to learn how to run computers.

Once most of the people running Linux are ignorant couch potatos who think
that KDE (etc.) and Linux are the same thing, the game is over. The
software will become non-free and non-open source.

They've already tried, remember:

http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=116445

But there wasn't a high enough percentage of couch potato, false
Linux runners around to allow them to pull it off.

If we don't do something about this situation, if we don't drop KDE (etc.)
like the radioactively hot potatoes they are, you can kiss Linux good-bye.

Or prepare to become, literally, outlaws.

No, KDE (etc.) are not nice ways to introduce people from the Mac/Windows
world to Linux. They are traps deliberately set and baited by huge corporations
who hate free and open source software and people who really understand computers.
And they especially hate computers they can't access at will. Which they cannot
on Linux OSes that don't run KDE (etc.).

Yes. I know that every blabbermouthed idiot on the Linux groups going to reply to
this. Sorry. But don't blame me. If it wasn't for KDE (etc.) none of these
lazy, thieving couch potatoes would be running Linux.

If I can ignore their malicious gibbering, so can you.

Tom


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Tom Newton :
>
> The false Linux runners are destroying Linux, which is precisely
> why the corporations have put 10's of millions of dollars into
> KDE and the like.

Ah, the free market speaks!

--
Early to bed and early to rise makes a man a helluva big nuisance.

www.websterscafe.com

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:25:03 +0000, Handover Phist wrote:

> Tom Newton :
<useless rubbish snipped>
> Ah, the free market speaks!

I know it is the weekend but don't you have something better to do than
read insane people's posts?

Richard James
--
FYI I am insane

On 2008-02-09, Handover Phist <jason@jason.websterscafe.com> wrote:
> Tom Newton :
>>
>> The false Linux runners are destroying Linux, which is precisely
>> why the corporations have put 10's of millions of dollars into
>> KDE and the like.
>
> Ah, the free market speaks!
>

I see that you don't want to address any of the issues that I raised.

I'm not surprised. Supporters of the KDE technocracy don't like having
their positions questioned.

There's nothing "free" about the market supported by the corporations.

And we do not have to reply when this non-free market speaks.

Thanks for taking your hand off your dick long enough to type your
juvenile response.

Tom

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On 2008-02-09, Richard James <rjames@invalid.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:25:03 +0000, Handover Phist wrote:
>
>> Tom Newton :
><useless rubbish snipped>
>> Ah, the free market speaks!
>
> I know it is the weekend but don't you have something better to do than
> read insane people's posts?

His idiotic response was made for the same reason that yours was:

He and you don't like having KDE questioned.

Do you realize how transparent your motives are? Apparently not.

All that eye-candy and junk food (in your mouse free hand) has
muddled your brains.

Tom


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calhobbit (at)
gmail [DOT] com

Richard James :
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:25:03 +0000, Handover Phist wrote:
>
>> Tom Newton :
><useless rubbish snipped>
>> Ah, the free market speaks!
>
> I know it is the weekend but don't you have something better to do than
> read insane people's posts?
>
> Richard James

Not at the moment. Hell, if you're reading usenet all you're doing is
reading insane peoples posts anyways!

--
Gardeners do it in raised beds.

www.websterscafe.com

Tom Newton wrote, presumably in a lightning flash of self analysis:

> ...engage in mindless chatter with IM and IRC and on web forums,
> etc...

At last you're fulfilling your destiny, being an iconoclastic bigot,
with a paranoid delusion about GUI's on more than newsgroup at a time.

Two Ravens
"Tom Newton surely the William Topaz McGonagall of
alt.os.linux.slackware, and apparently comp.os.linx.misc. and
comp.os.linuxsetup as well!"

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:01:28 -0800, Tom Newton wrote:

> Once most of the people running Linux are ignorant couch potatos who
> think that KDE (etc.) and Linux are the same thing, the game is over.
> The software will become non-free and non-open source.
>
> They've already tried, remember:
>
> http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=116445
>
> But there wasn't a high enough percentage of couch potato, false Linux
> runners around to allow them to pull it off.
>
> If we don't do something about this situation, if we don't drop KDE
> (etc.) like the radioactively hot potatoes they are, you can kiss Linux
> good-bye.

My problem with this isn't your logic. This might have been a good
argument 10 years ago. But events have argued just the opposite. There
just is not a burgeoning market for non-free linux software. Beer
drinking, smoking, masturbating subgenii notwithstanding.

On 2008-02-09, Tom Newton <tom@server.invalid> wrote:

> If I can ignore their malicious gibbering, so can you.

The only gibbering is yours. Single minded zealots like yourself only
obscure the real advantage of linunx... choice. I prefer the command line.
I use it and the keyboard whenever possible. But, I also sell online and
use photo utililies available on KDE. Gimp is not a CLI utility.
KDE's Kuickshow is brilliant for previewing pics. Quanta is great for doing
html. If you want to limit yourself to such a myopic use of the computer, be
my guest. But, to come here spouting such nonsense makes you look like a
blithering idiot.

nb

On 2008-02-10, Chris Cox <ccox_nopenotthis@airmail.net> wrote:
> Tom Newton wrote:
>> These days, there are two kinds of Linux runners. Thanks to the
>> corporate-sponsored yuppy geeks at KDE/Gnome/freedesktop.org and
>> the distros that support those Windows-clone user-interfaces,
>>
>> There are the true Linux runners, who want to learn Linux and to
>> share their knowledge with others and/or write-maintain the free,
>> open-source software that makes Linux possible.
>>
>> And there are the false Linux runners who simply want a
>> free operating system and free technical support, who
>> don't care about learning Linux and don't have any intention
>> of doing their fair share of the work needed to maintain
>> Linux. Or of donating to the developers and maintainers of
>> the software they use.
>
> I think it's unfair to use the words "true" and "false" to
> divide users into two camps. The main things is that there
> are different levels of users out there with different
> levels of expectations and different desires with regards
> to how much they want to learn/play with their OS.

The difference between the two groups I am referrring to is not
one of "level".

One group wants to learn Linux and the other wants bargain
software and bargain technical support.

There's a huge difference. A qualitative difference rather
than a quantitative difference.

One group is here to give and take, the other is here just
to take

I skimmed the rest of your comments. You persist in either
misunderstanding what I said, or pretending to.

So what's going on? Are you just out of your depth? I see in
your headers that you are using Thunderbird, primarily a
web browser, for your newsreader, which is hardly the choice
of a Linux/Unix expert.

Or are you someone making money from all the ignorant appliance
operators now running KDE (which in turn runs Linux for them)?
Or perhaps you are *hoping* to cash in on that business opportunity.

After all, Tech Support for Windows/Mac is a multi-billion-dollar
industry....

The smell of easy money attracts a lot of unethical people who
lie as a matter of course....

And that money is not going to be made from people who actually
understand Linux. It is going to made from people who think that
KDE (etc.) and Linux are the same thing.

And because the reponses I've been getting are so predictble,
let me say, once again, that I do run X and a window manager
and use whatever X/graphical applicaions I choose to use. If I
wanted to run any KDE apps, I could do that without running KDE,
all I have to do is install the kdelibs. Which would take about
20 seconds and no skill on my part at all.

I am *NOT* a "guru". Not even close.

<snip>

Thanks for replying,

Tom

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