On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:39:10 +0000, Petri Kaukasoina wrote:

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> See PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt in slackware-current.

Can't help either, but i echo the well wishing of others here and hope
he makes a full recovery. Get well soon Pat!!

Best Wishes

Berk

Petri Kaukasoina wrote:
> See PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt in slackware-current.

In case the mirrors are slashdotted, I saved it on my site

http://www.unixsphere.net/~devnull/P...-YOUR-HELP.txt

Michael Black wrote :

> This is kind of spooky in light of recent threads about "what if.."

No matter when Patrick gets ill it'll be shortly after a "What if Pat.."
thread in this group.
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+Alan Hicks+ <alan@lizella.network> trolled:
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> In alt.os.linux.slackware, Petri Kaukasoina dared to utter,
>> See PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt in slackware-current.
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> In the interests of this newsgroup and the plethoria of trolls that are
> about to come in with some Netcraft study proving Slackware is dying,
> let me say the following.
>
> Things like this happen all the time, and if you read the full message
> it looks as if there's good hope. Pat just needs to find the right help
> for something that is a rare medical condition. I'm sure we'll all pull
> together and find the help he needs, and come up with the dough if
> that's what it takes.
>
> - --
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> Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
> Ecclesiastes 7:5
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It can't continue this way. Slackware has to be developed by a much
broader forum. Look at Debian - they have 900 official developers...
The same with other large scale distros.

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In alt.os.linux.slackware, 0versight dared to utter,
> http://www.unixsphere.net/~devnull/P...-YOUR-HELP.txt

There's another mirror available at uml.axpr.net thanks to our very own
AthlonRob.

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alexrait1 wrote:

> It can't continue this way. Slackware has to be developed by a much
> broader forum. Look at Debian - they have 900 official developers...
> The same with other large scale distros.

right.
ohh, i wonder how slackware still exists then, after a decade of development
and still a decent user base?

On 2004-11-16, Petri Kaukasoina <kaukasoina411ngar5m@elektroni.ee.tut.fi> wrote:
>
> See PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt in slackware-current.

Holy crap! This really sucks.

Hey Pat ...we're all thinking of you and hope you get better real soon!

nb

On 2004-11-16, alexrait1 <alexrait1@armenia-dot-ru.no-spam.invalid> wrote:
> It can't continue this way. Slackware has to be developed by a much
> broader forum. Look at Debian - they have 900 official developers...
> The same with other large scale distros.

900 developers, and yet Slackware is still better than Debian. So why,
exactly, does Slackware need more developers? Okay, I'll admit that
one or two more might be helpful, but 900?!? Too many cooks....

--keith

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Once upon a time, alexrait1@armenia-dot-ru.no-spam.invalid (alexrait1) said:
>
>It can't continue this way. Slackware has to be developed by a much
>broader forum. Look at Debian - they have 900 official developers...
>The same with other large scale distros.

As others have pointed out, it's been doing quite well thusfar.

Projects which are developed by very small teams (1, 2, 3 engineers)
and projects which are developed by larger teams have their strengths
and weaknesses. I've worked on both kinds of projects, and there is
no objective measure by which one or the other could be called better
in all cases. They are qualitatively different.

Small-team projects tend to be better architected, since one or a
few people have the whole system in their heads at once, and are able
to make design decisions at the architectural level intelligently,
quickly, and competently. But there are limited manhours which may
be devoted to paying attention to any one subcomponent of the project.

Large-team projects tend to have higher quality components, since
each part can be allocated to a different sub-team which can then
devote their time to making sure that part works well. But can be
harder to make those components fit together correctly, and project
architecture tends to be more of an evolving, organic thing, rather
than a deliberately engineered phenomenon. Even when project leads
try to control the evolution of a large-team project, it is much
more difficult to do so than a with small-team project.

It would make sense to grow the development team size if Patrick
were not up to the task of giving each component of Slackware its
due attention (and I have noticed in the past that as the number of
packages included in Slackware increases, the overall quality of
the distribution has degraded, which I have marked up to Patrick
spreading himself out too thin). Thusfar he's been doing a good
job, IMO, though I think he could maybe stand to have one or two
QA monkeys who can throw more hours at regression and interactivity
testing and wave red flags when they find a bug so that Patrick can
fix the bug.

Debian has a REALLY HUGE number of "blessed" packages which have
been QA'd on the Debian platform and marked with the official Debian
stamp of approval, and that is one of the strengths of that distro.
Slackware has fewer packages, and different strengths. I would not
want that to change.

-- TTK