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I get a bit worrying about the future of Slackware. Slackware still use
tetex while it is not maintained any more by upstream for 2 years (which
recommend texlive). Also I still do not see the current version of emacs
in current (and that you should not be a big deal to upgrade). What
happens... what could we expect for the next version of Slackware?

Olive

On 2008-02-05, Olive <notreal@noexist.org> wrote:
> I get a bit worrying about the future of Slackware. Slackware still use
> tetex while it is not maintained any more by upstream for 2 years (which
> recommend texlive). Also I still do not see the current version of emacs
> in current (and that you should not be a big deal to upgrade). What
> happens... what could we expect for the next version of Slackware?
>
> Olive

As near as I can tell, most of the people here want everything but
KDE to vanish.

Tom

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Olive wrote:

> What happens... what could we expect for the next version of
> Slackware?

Mayhap the question is rather *when* to can expect the next version of
Slackware®. See the thread Slackware Release Fun & Games to have your
guess. As Franz Sauerzopf wrote one can always install the latest
version of Emacs, the typesetting programmes seem to be more
problematic but as Old Man wrote, let the man know of your concerns, or
even offer to help.

Surely however it is better to wait for him to have a stable version
ready, than to worry that it has been about seven months since the
release of 12.0? Is there really a need for Slackware® 12.1/13.0 so
soon?
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Franz Sauerzopf <sauer@ati.ac.at> writes:

> Olive wrote (Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:40:48 +0100):
>
>> I get a bit worrying about the future of Slackware. Slackware still use
>> tetex while it is not maintained any more by upstream for 2 years (which
>> recommend texlive). Also I still do not see the current version of emacs
>> in current (and that you should not be a big deal to upgrade). What
>> happens... what could we expect for the next version of Slackware?
>>
>> Olive
>
> I don't know about emacs, which I upgraded on my own, but there seems to
> exist some problem with TeXLive. This isuite huge, actually out of bounds
> for a distro like slack. And one needs a huge amount of knowledge to
> build a reasonable subset. Unfortunately, I think TeX is not PVs
> speciality. (Maybe I'm wrong, but we have always been lagging behind
> state of the art LaTeX).
>
> I was hoping for a comment by a resident latex and auctex guru ...


Well, I'm by no means a guru, but use LaTeX a lot. TeXLive is freely
downloadable and installs like a dream. Auctex ditto.


atb


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Glyn Millington wrote (Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:47:44 +0000):

> Franz Sauerzopf <sauer@ati.ac.at> writes:
>
>> Olive wrote (Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:40:48 +0100):
>> Slackware still
>>> use tetex while it is not maintained any more by upstream for 2 years
>>> (which recommend texlive).
> Well, I'm by no means a guru, but use LaTeX a lot. TeXLive is freely
> downloadable and installs like a dream. Auctex ditto.
>

Sure, but that is not the op's question. I'm also wondering about the
future inclusion of Latex. I know I can install TexLive, but I also know
(La)Tex should be in a decent distro. I hope it will not suffer the
gnome's fate.

Have a nice day

Franz

On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:40:48 +0100, Olive wrote:

> I get a bit worrying about the future of Slackware.

Based on performance to date, Slackware is the most likely to survive :-)

> Slackware still use
> tetex while it is not maintained any more by upstream for 2 years (which
> recommend texlive).

Does tetex not work anymore? Forgive me for asking, I haven't used LaTeX
much this century.

> Also I still do not see the current version of emacs
> in current (and that you should not be a big deal to upgrade).

Like TeX, emacs is not a universal concern, even though it is important
to those who use it.

Please note:

http://www.xkcd.com/378/

> What
> happens... what could we expect for the next version of Slackware?

I'm in no rush, as long as PV gets it right.

Philosophically, I like the approach that Slack has. Build a solid base
system, screw with everything as little as possible, and make it easy to
get and install the latest stuff by being a solid platform.

If you don't want to build the stuff from scratch, it seems asking here
will often result in some kind person building a package for you.

Cheers,
Mark
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Two Ravens :
> Olive wrote:
>
>> What happens... what could we expect for the next version of
>> Slackware?
>
> Mayhap the question is rather *when* to can expect the next version of
> Slackware®. See the thread Slackware Release Fun & Games to have your
> guess. As Franz Sauerzopf wrote one can always install the latest
> version of Emacs, the typesetting programmes seem to be more
> problematic but as Old Man wrote, let the man know of your concerns, or
> even offer to help.
>
> Surely however it is better to wait for him to have a stable version
> ready, than to worry that it has been about seven months since the
> release of 12.0? Is there really a need for Slackware® 12.1/13.0 so
> soon?

I'm still waiting for 5.0.

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Handover Phist wrote:

> I'm still waiting for 5.0.

You obviously must have missed 4.0, I'd suggest jumping straight to 12.1
or 13 when it arrives, but check that the hardware you're running 3.0
on will handle it.

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alt.os.linux.slackware!"

On 2008-02-06, Franz Sauerzopf <sauer@ati.ac.at> wrote:
> Glyn Millington wrote (Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:47:44 +0000):
>
>> Franz Sauerzopf <sauer@ati.ac.at> writes:
>>
>>> Olive wrote (Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:40:48 +0100):
>>> Slackware still
>>>> use tetex while it is not maintained any more by upstream for 2 years
>>>> (which recommend texlive).
>> Well, I'm by no means a guru, but use LaTeX a lot. TeXLive is freely
>> downloadable and installs like a dream. Auctex ditto.

> Sure, but that is not the op's question. I'm also wondering about the
> future inclusion of Latex. I know I can install TexLive, but I also know
> (La)Tex should be in a decent distro. I hope it will not suffer the
> gnome's fate.

FWIW... I discussed this a bit with Pat before 12.0 came out. As
someone else pointed out, texlive is huge, and trying to figure out
how to cut it down to a reasonable size in a reasonable way is
problematic. I poked around a bit and came up with a subset that *I*
thought was reasonable, but
(a) it was still huge compared to tetex (large enough to make
Slackware need another CD), and
(b) there are probably people who would miss the parts that I didn't
need.

But I encourage anyone interested to try to cut down texlive to
something reasonable, maybe you can do way better than me, without
losing parts that are more or less essential.

Another wrench in the works is that texlive 2008 is supposed to be out
in a few months (IIRC a posting on comp.text.tex).


Someone asked about tetex... since it is no longer maintained, it is
getting rather outdated.

Cheers.
Jim

On 2008-02-05, Olive <notreal@noexist.org> wrote:
> I get a bit worrying about the future of Slackware. Slackware still use
> tetex while it is not maintained any more by upstream for 2 years (which
> recommend texlive). Also I still do not see the current version of emacs
> in current (and that you should not be a big deal to upgrade). What
> happens... what could we expect for the next version of Slackware?

Though I see that others have also replied, just my two bits as both an
Emacs and LaTeX user:

(i) Emacs should be easy enough to update to vers. 22. Perhaps PV isn't
yet aware of the new version. (Minimally, the fact that Emacs hasn't yet
been updated suggest that PV isn't an Emacs user! :-) )

(ii) TeTeX should be dropped because it's nearly three years old and no
longer supported. This would also free up space. LaTeX users can use
TeXLive, which is easy enough to install. I don't deny that it would be
nice to have a modestly sized TeX/LaTeX package for Slackware (or for
any other Linux distribution, for that matter), but trimming down
TeXLive isn't so straightforward, as many have discovered.

Frankly, I don't see why Slackware should include a TeX/LaTeX
installation any more or less than it should include OpenOffice.org. I
imagine that there are in fact more Slackware users who use OOo than
there are who use TeX/LaTeX, so I feel that the inclsion of the latter
would have to be justified on the availability of a modestly sized and
up-to-date TeX/LaTeX package, which isn't the case at this time.

Christopher