mickey@mouse.com Wed Oct 17 03:28:17 2007 said:

> I'm currently putting together a production desktop (for town
> halls and public libraries), based on Slackware 12.0 and XFCE.
> Right now I'm testing applications for stability, needs of system
> resources, etcetera. I decided to favour the Seamonkey browser
> over Firefox, since the latter seems more and more crash-prone,
> and sometimes "eats my RAM".

Whenever I have problems with Firefox it is usually because of a
helper application or an "addon", and not Firefox itself. I
wouldn't bother with Seamonkey. But even Firefox for linux doesn't
render as well as IE or Firefox for Windoze, so beware. And you
will probably have problems with video and sound no matter what
browser you use with a linux platform.

> Now I wonder what mail client I should prefer. All in all, I like
> Thunderbird, which I also use. In the past, there have been some
> strange problems with mails mysteriously going to byte heaven, but
> these seem to be resolved. Do you know if the mail client from
> Seamonkey is any "better"?

I don't understand why you are using an email client on public
internet browsers. Wouldn't people be using a web browser to access
their email through a webmail account like hotmail or gmail or
whatever? If they start using thunderbird to set up accounts this
is going to cause all kinds of security problems.

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Cheers
Res

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:22:41 +0200
Res <res@ausics.net> wrote:
> I don't understand why you are using an email client on public
> internet browsers. Wouldn't people be using a web browser to access
> their email through a webmail account like hotmail or gmail or
> whatever? If they start using thunderbird to set up accounts this
> is going to cause all kinds of security problems.

Could you please name these 'kinds of security problems.'

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M.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:35:32 +0400, Mikhail Zotov wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:22:41 +0200
> Res <res@ausics.net> wrote:
>> I don't understand why you are using an email client on public internet
>> browsers. Wouldn't people be using a web browser to access their email
>> through a webmail account like hotmail or gmail or whatever? If they
>> start using thunderbird to set up accounts this is going to cause all
>> kinds of security problems.
>
> Could you please name these 'kinds of security problems.'

Probably mainly the Y2K bug, as he's the poster you replied to
he must know ;-)

Mikhail Zotov <invalid_muxaul@lenta.ru> says:
>On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:22:41 +0200
>Res <res@ausics.net> wrote:
>> I don't understand why you are using an email client on public
>> internet browsers. Wouldn't people be using a web browser to access
>> their email through a webmail account like hotmail or gmail or
>> whatever? If they start using thunderbird to set up accounts this
>> is going to cause all kinds of security problems.

>Could you please name these 'kinds of security problems.'

We can name one. Someone could setup thunderbird to read their
email, complete with password, and then forget, or unsuccessfully
delete it when they are done. Anyone could then use that machine to
login and read that person's email at any point in the future.

Duh.

We're not sure if this is the same problem to which Res is
referring, but it is certainly a big security problem.

But the practicality of it isn't very good. Each user will have to
know their isp's pop server's name, smtp server's name, as well as
other options, such as authorization, not to mention their own
username and password, just to read their own email on thunderbird.
And they will have to have write privileges on the hard drive as
well. This isn't very practical for a public machine. In fact,
we've never seen thunderbird used in a library, a school, or an
internet cafe for just these reasons.

cordially, as always,

rm

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lol the real reas doesnt have problems with firefox why because hes not a
as lame as roger maynard

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Res wrote:

>
> mickey@mouse.com Wed Oct 17 03:28:17 2007 said:
>
>> I'm currently putting together a production desktop (for town
>> halls and public libraries), based on Slackware 12.0 and XFCE.
>> Right now I'm testing applications for stability, needs of system
>> resources, etcetera. I decided to favour the Seamonkey browser
>> over Firefox, since the latter seems more and more crash-prone,
>> and sometimes "eats my RAM".
>
> Whenever I have problems with Firefox it is usually because of a
> helper application or an "addon", and not Firefox itself. I
> wouldn't bother with Seamonkey. But even Firefox for linux doesn't
> render as well as IE or Firefox for Windoze, so beware. And you
> will probably have problems with video and sound no matter what
> browser you use with a linux platform.
>
>> Now I wonder what mail client I should prefer. All in all, I like
>> Thunderbird, which I also use. In the past, there have been some
>> strange problems with mails mysteriously going to byte heaven, but
>> these seem to be resolved. Do you know if the mail client from
>> Seamonkey is any "better"?
>
> I don't understand why you are using an email client on public
> internet browsers. Wouldn't people be using a web browser to access
> their email through a webmail account like hotmail or gmail or
> whatever? If they start using thunderbird to set up accounts this
> is going to cause all kinds of security problems.
>
> - --
> Cheers
> Res
>
>
>

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Cheers
Res

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even though at times he is funny as with his denials.

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Mikhail Zotov wrote:

>
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:22:41 +0200
> Res <res@ausics.net> wrote:
>> I don't understand why you are using an email client on public
>> internet browsers. Wouldn't people be using a web browser to access
>> their email through a webmail account like hotmail or gmail or
>> whatever? If they start using thunderbird to set up accounts this
>> is going to cause all kinds of security problems.
>
> Could you please name these 'kinds of security problems.'

please address your question to roger maynard, but please be quick,
because actions are under way to umm


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Cheers
Res

PGP - Just another way to assist preventing Roger Maynards impersonations,
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On 17 Oct 2007 16:45:40 GMT
loki harfagr <loki@DarkDesign.free.fr> wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:35:32 +0400, Mikhail Zotov wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:22:41 +0200
> > Res <res@ausics.net> wrote:
.....
> >> start using thunderbird to set up accounts this is going to cause all
> >> kinds of security problems.
> >
> > Could you please name these 'kinds of security problems.'
>
> Probably mainly the Y2K bug, as he's the poster you replied to
> he must know ;-)

Oops ... this is a security problem I didn't think about ...
Thanks for pointing this out! :-)

Mikhail

Mikhail Zotov <invalid_muxaul@lenta.ru> says:
>On 17 Oct 2007 16:45:40 GMT
>loki harfagr <loki@DarkDesign.free.fr> wrote:

>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:35:32 +0400, Mikhail Zotov wrote:
>> > Res <res@ausics.net> wrote:

>> >> start using thunderbird to set up accounts this is going to
>> >> cause all kinds of security problems.

>> > Could you please name these 'kinds of security problems.'

>> Probably mainly the Y2K bug, as he's the poster you replied to
>> he must know ;-)

>Oops ... this is a security problem I didn't think about ...
>Thanks for pointing this out! :-)

We described the real security problems and you were silent. Why
didn't you have anything silly to say then?

Putting an email client on a public web browser is stupid.

cordially, as always,

rm