First, email a complaint (with full headers of the offending post)
to abuse@rogers.com

Second, set up a cancelbot to nuke the posts as soon as they appear.
They went past the spam cancel threshholds long ago.

@. wrote:

> First, email a complaint (with full headers of the offending post)
> to abuse@rogers.com

> Second, set up a cancelbot to nuke the posts as soon as they appear.
> They went past the spam cancel threshholds long ago.

Third, stop violating usenet .sig and spam guidelines with pgp
trash.

cordially, as always,

rm

> First, email a complaint (with full headers of the offending post)
> to abuse@rogers.com
>
> Second, set up a cancelbot to nuke the posts as soon as they appear.
> They went past the spam cancel threshholds long ago.

The abuse may not always be coming from a rogers subscriber, of course.
Look at the full headers of the offending post and use the X-Complaints-To
or similar header.

You can also inform news.admin.net-abuse.usenet about the problem. Clearly
there's an issue with some people who dislike pgp signed posts. Of course
unlike HTML, a PGP signed message still includes the full cleartext of the
original post so there should be no problem with legibility.

What it comes down to is, spamming a newsgroup with worthless content
(automatic followups to any PGP signed message) becomes a spam/abuse
problem.

Jem Berkes <jem@users.pc9__org> wrote:

> What it comes down to is, spamming a newsgroup with worthless
> content (automatic followups to any PGP signed message) becomes a
> spam/abuse problem.

spamming a newsgroup with worthless pgp trash, automatically
generated, quite clearly is a spam/abuse problem, not to mention a
violation of .sig size guidelinesr. The continued and flagrant
violation of those guidelines will be flagged, the abusers
identified, and demands for responsible behaviour will be made.

Your attempts to frame a valid complaint against this behaviour as
"spam" identifies you as an intellectual coward. You are asked to
stop posting.

cordially, as always,

rm

>> What it comes down to is, spamming a newsgroup with worthless
>> content (automatic followups to any PGP signed message) becomes a
>> spam/abuse problem.
>
> spamming a newsgroup with worthless pgp trash, automatically
> generated, quite clearly is a spam/abuse problem, not to mention a
> violation of .sig size guidelinesr. The continued and flagrant
> violation of those guidelines will be flagged, the abusers
> identified, and demands for responsible behaviour will be made.
>
> Your attempts to frame a valid complaint against this behaviour as
> "spam" identifies you as an intellectual coward. You are asked to
> stop posting.

Yes, but each one of my posts has content.

Each automatic "pgp trash troll delete" has no content.

You are free to (and encouraged!) to killfile whomever you want. But you
need not advertise it whenever you do so. This can be likened to the
problem with email viruses and the practice of bouncing back trouble
reports. It adds to the total garbage on the internet, whereas the best
route would be to simply drop the offending content.

--
Jem Berkes
http://www.sysdesign.ca/

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:10:55 GMT, Jem Berkes <jem@users.pc9__org> wrote:
>
>
>> First, email a complaint (with full headers of the offending post)
>> to abuse@rogers.com
>>
>> Second, set up a cancelbot to nuke the posts as soon as they appear.
>> They went past the spam cancel threshholds long ago.
>
> The abuse may not always be coming from a rogers subscriber, of course.
> Look at the full headers of the offending post and use the X-Complaints-To
> or similar header.
>
> You can also inform news.admin.net-abuse.usenet about the problem. Clearly
> there's an issue with some people who dislike pgp signed posts. Of course
> unlike HTML, a PGP signed message still includes the full cleartext of the
> original post so there should be no problem with legibility.
>
> What it comes down to is, spamming a newsgroup with worthless content
> (automatic followups to any PGP signed message) becomes a spam/abuse
> problem.

For 99.9% of the people on the Usenet, PGP sigs are worthless content.

So people who post worthless content are going to complain about people
posting worthless content?

Is it anywhere near April 1st?


These stupid PGP sigs are just the first step: Next, they will be rationalizing
20 line commercial sigs because every one has to make a living, right?

Needs to be stopped now, and if someone is making it uncomfortable for the
tiny minority of selfish and self-important paranoid faddists who use PGP on
the Usenet.....

(I can see it for like a transaction with a person's bank or lawyer or
corporation, but USENET!!!????)

......then they DO deserve a medal.




--
Alan C
Posts with sigs of > 4 lines, or not in plain text, are dumped by my filters.

Jem Berkes <jem@users.pc9__org> wrote:
> >> What it comes down to is, spamming a newsgroup with worthless
> >> content (automatic followups to any PGP signed message) becomes a
> >> spam/abuse problem.
> >
> > spamming a newsgroup with worthless pgp trash, automatically
> > generated, quite clearly is a spam/abuse problem, not to mention a
> > violation of .sig size guidelinesr. The continued and flagrant
> > violation of those guidelines will be flagged, the abusers
> > identified, and demands for responsible behaviour will be made.
> >
> > Your attempts to frame a valid complaint against this behaviour as
> > "spam" identifies you as an intellectual coward. You are asked to
> > stop posting.

> Yes, but each one of my posts has content.

> Each automatic "pgp trash troll delete" has no content.

It most certainly does. It immediately flags those who are in
violation of usenet .sig policy. Again, you _know_ this and merely
pretend not to see it in some feeble attempt to give your charge of
trolling against us some credibility.

The fact remains, however, that there is a minority of posters,
accurately referred to as "pgp trash trolls," who continue to
violate usenet .sig policy for no reason other than it pleases them
to do so. These persons will continue to be flagged and identified
in the name of the greater good of the usenet community.

cordially, as always,

rm

>> Each automatic "pgp trash troll delete" has no content.
>
> It most certainly does. It immediately flags those who are in
> violation of usenet .sig policy. Again, you _know_ this and merely
> pretend not to see it in some feeble attempt to give your charge of
> trolling against us some credibility.

Then why can't you just compile a list of the people who you feel are 'pgp
trash trolls', then once a week post a message explaining your findings to
that effect? Same information content, much less annoyance.

--
Jem Berkes
http://www.sysdesign.ca/

Jem Berkes <jem@users.pc9__org> wrote:
> >> Each automatic "pgp trash troll delete" has no content.
> >
> > It most certainly does. It immediately flags those who are in
> > violation of usenet .sig policy. Again, you _know_ this and merely
> > pretend not to see it in some feeble attempt to give your charge of
> > trolling against us some credibility.

> Then why can't you just compile a list of the people who you feel
> are 'pgp trash trolls', then once a week post a message
> explaining your findings to that effect? Same information
> content, much less annoyance.

Why don't _you_ simply ask the offenders to stop using pgp trash?

cordially, as always,

rm

Randy Myers wrote:

> Why don't _you_ simply ask the offenders to stop using pgp trash?
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm

Why don't you do it - ONCE?

And why do you top post your pointless harassment?
And why don't you snip the posts you reply to?

Before you harass people about minor points of netiquette, please follow
it yourself.