just done a

emerge -up world

on checking the list of packages I found the following


[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.7
[ebuild N ] app-pda/gnome-pilot-2.0.12
[ebuild N ] app-pda/gnome-pilot-conduits-2.0.12
[ebuild N ] mail-client/evolution-2.0.3-r2
[ebuild N ] net-www/epiphany-1.4.8
[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/evolution-webcal-2.0.1
[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.8.3

which is all well and good, but with limited disk space I don't
want/need/care about any of the above

I am guessing that these are, for some reason best known to the universe
dependencies of something else

is there anyway to identify whats forcing me to add this lot?

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TheMartian wrote:
>
> just done a
>
> emerge -up world
>
> on checking the list of packages I found the following
>
>
> [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.7
> [ebuild N ] app-pda/gnome-pilot-2.0.12
> [ebuild N ] app-pda/gnome-pilot-conduits-2.0.12
> [ebuild N ] mail-client/evolution-2.0.3-r2
> [ebuild N ] net-www/epiphany-1.4.8
> [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/evolution-webcal-2.0.1
> [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.8.3
>
> which is all well and good, but with limited disk space I don't
> want/need/care about any of the above
>
> I am guessing that these are, for some reason best known to the universe
> dependencies of something else
>
> is there anyway to identify whats forcing me to add this lot?

Yes, the source of those extra unnessessarilly forced ebuilds comes from
gnome-base/gnome, the only way to remove those dependencies is to remove the
gnome-base/gnome from your /var/lib/portage/world

I hope the Gentoo devels would be so kind and not include 3rd party ebuilds to
those that are included in Gnome2 build, but they do just add more and more
ebuilds to the dependency, so soon you will get half of the ebuilds built when
you emerge gnome-base/gnome.


//Aho

Not sure of the exact question but if you don't want gnome
or it's pieces add '-gnome' to your /etc/make.conf USE=.
Then retry the same emerge command to see what you get
Hope this helps.
-Walt

TheMartian <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> just done a
>
> emerge -up world
>
> on checking the list of packages I found the following
>
>
> [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.7
> [ebuild N ] app-pda/gnome-pilot-2.0.12
> [ebuild N ] app-pda/gnome-pilot-conduits-2.0.12
> [ebuild N ] mail-client/evolution-2.0.3-r2
> [ebuild N ] net-www/epiphany-1.4.8
> [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/evolution-webcal-2.0.1
> [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.8.3
>
> which is all well and good, but with limited disk space I don't
> want/need/care about any of the above
>
> I am guessing that these are, for some reason best known to the universe
> dependencies of something else
>
> is there anyway to identify whats forcing me to add this lot?
>
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or review the list at
http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/use-index.xml
to find some more atomic part you can exclude as it
seems you already have some gnome?
When I build some systems that have confined diskspace
I decide on a desktop(s) and exclude the others in the
previously mentioned manner.
-Walt

J.O. Aho wrote:
> TheMartian wrote:
>
>>
>> just done a
>>
>> emerge -up world
>>
>> on checking the list of packages I found the following
>>
>>
>> [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.7
>> [ebuild N ] app-pda/gnome-pilot-2.0.12
>> [ebuild N ] app-pda/gnome-pilot-conduits-2.0.12
>> [ebuild N ] mail-client/evolution-2.0.3-r2
>> [ebuild N ] net-www/epiphany-1.4.8
>> [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/evolution-webcal-2.0.1
>> [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.8.3
>>
>> which is all well and good, but with limited disk space I don't
>> want/need/care about any of the above
>>
>> I am guessing that these are, for some reason best known to the
>> universe dependencies of something else
>>
>> is there anyway to identify whats forcing me to add this lot?
>
>
> Yes, the source of those extra unnessessarilly forced ebuilds comes from
> gnome-base/gnome, the only way to remove those dependencies is to remove
> the gnome-base/gnome from your /var/lib/portage/world
>
> I hope the Gentoo devels would be so kind and not include 3rd party
> ebuilds to those that are included in Gnome2 build, but they do just add
> more and more ebuilds to the dependency, so soon you will get half of
> the ebuilds built when you emerge gnome-base/gnome.
>
>
> //Aho

had a feeling it was going to be something like that

would be nice if those of us who don't use gnome, but need some of its
libraries had the option to only merge those. Think of it as a
mini-gnome which just includes the libs etc, without the rest of the bloat

In my case I use XFCE4, but do run several gnome apps, which makes life
interesting

thanks for the help

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the bad news is that while I don't use gnome, preferring XFCE4 I do need
to run some gnome apps, which have some horrible dependancy trees

short of the devs giving us a mini-gnome looks like I will have to
remove the bloat after -u world has finished

thanks for the help


PenguinsAnonymous@notAchance.org wrote:
> Not sure of the exact question but if you don't want gnome
> or it's pieces add '-gnome' to your /etc/make.conf USE=.
> Then retry the same emerge command to see what you get
> Hope this helps.
> -Walt
>
> TheMartian <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>just done a
>>
>>emerge -up world
>>
>>on checking the list of packages I found the following
>>
>>
>>[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.7
>>[ebuild N ] app-pda/gnome-pilot-2.0.12
>>[ebuild N ] app-pda/gnome-pilot-conduits-2.0.12
>>[ebuild N ] mail-client/evolution-2.0.3-r2
>>[ebuild N ] net-www/epiphany-1.4.8
>>[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/evolution-webcal-2.0.1
>>[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.8.3
>>
>>which is all well and good, but with limited disk space I don't
>>want/need/care about any of the above
>>
>>I am guessing that these are, for some reason best known to the universe
>>dependencies of something else
>>
>>is there anyway to identify whats forcing me to add this lot?
>>
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TheMartian wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:

>> Yes, the source of those extra unnessessarilly forced ebuilds comes
>> from gnome-base/gnome, the only way to remove those dependencies is to
>> remove the gnome-base/gnome from your /var/lib/portage/world

> had a feeling it was going to be something like that
>
> would be nice if those of us who don't use gnome, but need some of its
> libraries had the option to only merge those. Think of it as a
> mini-gnome which just includes the libs etc, without the rest of the bloat
>
> In my case I use XFCE4, but do run several gnome apps, which makes life
> interesting

It's enough to emerge gnome-base/gnome-libs to get the needed stuff to run
gnome2 based applications, but some applications may have a dependency that
requiers gnome-base/gnome.


//Aho

J.O. Aho enlightened us with:
> It's enough to emerge gnome-base/gnome-libs to get the needed stuff
> to run gnome2 based applications, but some applications may have a
> dependency that requiers gnome-base/gnome.

It's even better not to think about it at all, and let gnome apps pull
in the required packages.

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Sybren Stuvel wrote:
> J.O. Aho enlightened us with:
>
>>It's enough to emerge gnome-base/gnome-libs to get the needed stuff
>>to run gnome2 based applications, but some applications may have a
>>dependency that requiers gnome-base/gnome.
>
>
> It's even better not to think about it at all, and let gnome apps pull
> in the required packages.

I disagree, as if one silly ebuild does have a gnome-base/gnome depenedncy
(there are some lazy maintainers), it will pull a million packages, and it's
becomes more difficult to know what is a Gnome2 ebuild and not, as the Gnome2
ebuilds aren't anymore located in gnome-extra.


//Aho

J.O. Aho enlightened us with:
> I disagree, as if one silly ebuild does have a gnome-base/gnome
> depenedncy (there are some lazy maintainers), it will pull a million
> packages

That would be a bug, which should be fixed. It doesn't have anything
to do with my tactic being a good one.

Sybren
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