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Hi
I'm interested in Gentoo because of its updating system (don't remember its
name...) but I wonder if I can use it on a plain old 56k modem connexion ?
Is it just impossible or only very looooooong ?
Thanks for any advice about that !

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:39:21 +0200, Ariane wrote:

> Hi
> I'm interested in Gentoo because of its updating system (don't remember its
> name...) but I wonder if I can use it on a plain old 56k modem connexion ?
> Is it just impossible or only very looooooong ?
> Thanks for any advice about that !

Well, initially, very long. I would get an install cd and the packages cd
and install from that medium first. Then, SOME updates (X, java-sdk,
kde, gnome, etc) will take a bit to download, others will not take
long. But if you stay current, it may not be too bad if you stick with the
system libraries and minor packages.

I just want a very minimalistic box, web browser, web server, open office
and that's it.

"Peter" <peter@localhost.com> wrote in message
newsan.2005.02.11.14.51.24.394365@localhost.com. ..
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:39:21 +0200, Ariane wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > I'm interested in Gentoo because of its updating system (don't remember
its
> > name...) but I wonder if I can use it on a plain old 56k modem connexion
?
> > Is it just impossible or only very looooooong ?
> > Thanks for any advice about that !
>
> Well, initially, very long. I would get an install cd and the packages cd
> and install from that medium first. Then, SOME updates (X, java-sdk,
> kde, gnome, etc) will take a bit to download, others will not take
> long. But if you stay current, it may not be too bad if you stick with the
> system libraries and minor packages.

Ariane wrote:
> I just want a very minimalistic box, web browser, web server, open office
> and that's it.
>

I do it. I started with a CD and have been using portage (the updating
system) ever since. I usually download at night. The download rate is
typically about 5,000 bytes a second or about 18 megabytes an hour.
Downloading a new kernel takes about two hours. Of course, you can do
other things, including things on your computer, during the download;
you don't have to sit and watch it. Also, downloads can be stopped and
restarted. A fast computer is desirable, not for the downloading but
for the compiling afterward. Sometimes compiling can take longer than
the download and I have a 3 GHz Pentium 4. I do update the software on
my computer nightly using portage. The source code for openoffice is
over 220 megabytes, which will take over 12 hours. The binary code
version is about 78 Megabytes or a little over 4 hours.

Ivar

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:05:09 +0200, Ariane wrote:

> I just want a very minimalistic box, web browser, web server, open office
> and that's it.

Well, even install-minimal is 50MB. The main problem you might face is
dropped connections. So even if you wanted to run it, you could
get cut off without warning and wonder why? If I am not mistaken, this
could take 2 hours! Am I right?

56Kbits/second / 8
=7kb/second
50MB = 50000KB
50000/7 = 71428571 seconds
71428571/60 = 119 minutes

(assuming you get top speed all the time)

OTOH, a stage 1 install (not sure what that will get you though) is only
14MB and you have a greater likelihood of succeeding with that.

Good Luck! (hope my math is right!)



>
> "Peter" <peter@localhost.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2005.02.11.14.51.24.394365@localhost.com. ..
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:39:21 +0200, Ariane wrote:
>>
>> > Hi
>> > I'm interested in Gentoo because of its updating system (don't
>> > remember
> its
>> > name...) but I wonder if I can use it on a plain old 56k modem
>> > connexion
> ?
>> > Is it just impossible or only very looooooong ? Thanks for any advice
>> > about that !
>>
>> Well, initially, very long. I would get an install cd and the packages
>> cd and install from that medium first. Then, SOME updates (X, java-sdk,
>> kde, gnome, etc) will take a bit to download, others will not take
>> long. But if you stay current, it may not be too bad if you stick with
>> the system libraries and minor packages.

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, "Ariane" <noen@online.no> wrote:

> Hi
> I'm interested in Gentoo because of its updating system (don't remember its
> name...) but I wonder if I can use it on a plain old 56k modem connexion ?
> Is it just impossible or only very looooooong ?
> Thanks for any advice about that !

I do it, but it can indeed be very slow. I often use --fetchonly to
make sure I can get all the files before I start compiling.

--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas

Ariane enlightened us with:
> I just want a very minimalistic box, web browser, web server, open
> office

LOL OpenOffice.org (that's the name, not "open office") is not really
what I'd call minimal ;-)

Sybren
--
The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a
capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

Dnia 11.02.2005 Sybren Stuvel <sybrenUSE@YOURthirdtower.com.imagination> napisa³/a:
> Ariane enlightened us with:
>> I just want a very minimalistic box, web browser, web server, open
>> office
>
> LOL OpenOffice.org (that's the name, not "open office") is not really
> what I'd call minimal ;-)
>

You are wrong. if you have open office (espetialy unatended at night)
others will make shure it will be minimal equiped. :-P

--
Pozdrawiam
MirMir

aparat2 .ma³pek. wp @kropek@ pl

MirMir wrote:

> You are wrong. if you have open office (espetialy unatended at night)
> others will make shure it will be minimal equiped. :-P

*ROTFL*
--
Leif Biberg Kristensen
http://solumslekt.org/

On 2005-02-11, Ariane <noen@online.no> wrote:
> Hi
> I'm interested in Gentoo because of its updating system (don't remember its
> name...) but I wonder if I can use it on a plain old 56k modem connexion ?
> Is it just impossible or only very looooooong ?
> Thanks for any advice about that !

I've never done gentoo on dailup but I did run a linux from scratch box
on a dailup connection for two years it was possible but the initial
setup i.e. downloading of sources will take a *long* time (i.e. leaving
the dailup line on over night for about a week). Once it is setup
though unless you like experimenting with lots of new programs it will
be not to much hassle

--
Joel Mayes