On 2004-05-08, Uncle Fred <unclefred@fredwilliamsFFFf.ca> wrote:
> Ken Scharf wrote:
>
>> Gentoo is NOT an organization with a 'brick and mortar' address. Gentoo
>> is a group of software developers that keep in contact ONLY via the net.
>> In fact many other non profit Linux distro's are put together this way,
>> Debian for example. Maybe these people DO get together face to face
>> once in a while at a Linux convention, but they mostly communicate via
>> email and IRC. Get used to it, it's the way of the future.
>
> Hmmmmmm: A virtual organization. Yes, that will take a little
> getting used to. Maybe I can send them a virtual check. I've
> already spent about $10 on ink and paper printing out the
> installation handbook.
> So they don't even have a treasurer who has an address or a bank
> account number where I might send them $20 Aus. from my cabin up
> here in the woods of Canada, or my credit card number. I get into
> town once in a while and I can count on professional banking
> services when I do. I thought there would be a way.
> If not, I can find another distro.
>
> Fred
>

We are currently undergoing a NFP transition. There will be an official
treasurer appointed by the board in the near future.

Formerly, everything went to Daniel Robbins, who has now left the
project.

I'm not entirely sure why this is a major emotional issue for you; why
would you change distributions because you are unable to mail money to
somebody? I'm not sure I understand.

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On 2004-05-09, Jon Portnoy <jdpNOSPAM@oppresses.us> wrote:

>
> I'm not entirely sure why this is a major emotional issue for you; why
> would you change distributions because you are unable to mail money to
> somebody? I'm not sure I understand.
>

Never mind -- read the rest of the thread 8)

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Uncle Fred wrote in alt.os.linux.gentoo:

> Peter D. wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> There is not much chance that you will pay Gentoo for a car and then
>> find that you can not trace Gentoo or the car.
>>
> Yes, that's true, and it's not a lot of money. However, if I
> don't pay them something, and I'd like to, then can I still get
> updates and fully participate in the forums and everywhere? I'm
> guessing that this would not be possible.
> This was my problem with Mandrake 9.1. I got the discs from the
> "Computer Helper Guy" and a while ago found that I can't get
> updates. I'm no longer authorized.
[snip]

Linux and most of the stuff that comes with it is distributed
under the GPL. Anyone is entitled to sell GPL code for whatever
the market will bear (provided they comply with the conditions
- read the GPL). Your retailer might have stopped providing
convenient updates, but Mandrake will still be providing
security updates for 9.1 for a few more months. Their site is
down at the moment, but have a look here;

http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/productlifetime.php


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Peter D. wrote:

> Linux and most of the stuff that comes with it is distributed
> under the GPL. Anyone is entitled to sell GPL code for whatever
> the market will bear (provided they comply with the conditions
> - read the GPL). Your retailer might have stopped providing
> convenient updates, but Mandrake will still be providing
> security updates for 9.1 for a few more months. Their site is
> down at the moment, but have a look here;
>
> http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/productlifetime.php
>

Thanks Peter. Yet I haven't been able to get updates on anything
for some time now for my Mandrake and I'm starting to like the
Gentoo way of doing things. I think I'll learn more about Linux
foing this as well.

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Uncle Fred wrote in alt.os.linux.gentoo:

> Peter D. wrote:

[snip]
>> but Mandrake will still be providing
>> security updates for 9.1 for a few more months. Their site is
>> down at the moment, but have a look here;
>>
>> http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/productlifetime.php
>>
>
> Thanks Peter. Yet I haven't been able to get updates on anything
> for some time now for my Mandrake and I'm starting to like the
> Gentoo way of doing things. I think I'll learn more about Linux
> foing this as well.

The Mandrake site is back up again. Also have a look at

http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/adv...es.php?dis=9.1

The last relevant update was April 29. I am using Mandrake 9.1 myself
and am just dipping my toe in the water with Gentoo.


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Peter D. wrote:

>
> The Mandrake site is back up again. Also have a look at
>
> http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/adv...es.php?dis=9.1
>
> The last relevant update was April 29. I am using Mandrake 9.1 myself
> and am just dipping my toe in the water with Gentoo.
>

Thanks again, Peter, but as I'm about to trash Mandrake and
install Gentoo, I'm not worried about updating Mandrake anymore.
I did actually get a small update to install and then the next one
ran into errors, which I'm not interested in investigating. I'd
just like to get k3b running again so I can backup the old system
before I wipe the disk.

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Uncle Fred wrote:

> Now, you see, THAT'S SUPER! OK, I love Gentoo, again,

Hypocrite.

> and if they
> ever have an address where I can send them money I shall. Also, If I
> ever get to know the system well enough to help others, I'll do that
> too. Thanks, and look forward to my questions in the weeks to come.(;-))

I'm not, actually.

If you think I'm being harsh: you're full of stupid assumptions you
didn't bother to check before deciding to dump Gentoo - without ever
having tried it!

Bill would probably like you.

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Analog bits courtesy of adaptr.

In article <qelnn1-2an.ln1@core.adaptr.nl>,
jeroen.notspam@adaptr.nl says...
> Uncle Fred wrote:
>
> > Now, you see, THAT'S SUPER! OK, I love Gentoo, again,
>
> Hypocrite.
>
> > and if they
> > ever have an address where I can send them money I shall. Also, If I
> > ever get to know the system well enough to help others, I'll do that
> > too. Thanks, and look forward to my questions in the weeks to come.(;-))
>
> I'm not, actually.
>
I'm not looking forward to asking them either. What can I
say? Life's tough.

> If you think I'm being harsh: you're full of stupid assumptions you
> didn't bother to check before deciding to dump Gentoo - without ever
> having tried it!
>
No No, I don't think you're harsh. I try not to judge
others.

> Bill would probably like you.
>

Oh, Now that's cold, man.

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On 2004-05-17, Jeroen Geilman <jeroen.notspam@adaptr.nl> wrote:
> Uncle Fred wrote:
>
>> Now, you see, THAT'S SUPER! OK, I love Gentoo, again,
>
> Hypocrite.
>
>> and if they
>> ever have an address where I can send them money I shall. Also, If I
>> ever get to know the system well enough to help others, I'll do that
>> too. Thanks, and look forward to my questions in the weeks to come.(;-))
>
> I'm not, actually.
>
> If you think I'm being harsh: you're full of stupid assumptions you
> didn't bother to check before deciding to dump Gentoo - without ever
> having tried it!
>
> Bill would probably like you.
>

Do you practice being a twat, or does it come naturally?

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On 2004-05-18, Jon Portnoy <jdpNOSPAM@oppresses.us> wrote:
> On 2004-05-17, Jeroen Geilman <jeroen.notspam@adaptr.nl> wrote:
>> Uncle Fred wrote:
>>
>>> Now, you see, THAT'S SUPER! OK, I love Gentoo, again,
>>
>> Hypocrite.
>>
>>> and if they
>>> ever have an address where I can send them money I shall. Also, If I
>>> ever get to know the system well enough to help others, I'll do that
>>> too. Thanks, and look forward to my questions in the weeks to come.(;-))
>>
>> I'm not, actually.
>>
>> If you think I'm being harsh: you're full of stupid assumptions you
>> didn't bother to check before deciding to dump Gentoo - without ever
>> having tried it!
>>
>> Bill would probably like you.
>>
>
> Do you practice being a twat, or does it come naturally?
>

That is to say, "it would be far more beneficial to the community if you
would present your opinions in a somewhat restrained manner, unlike the
one I used above."

Heh.

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