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It's 2008 now.

On 2007-12-31, singsingchow <singsingchow@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's 2008 now.

It's not 2008 here quite yet. There's still over 11 hours
left...

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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:20:10 +0800, singsingchow wrote:

> It's 2008 now.

Gentoo does not have any version.
If you need a more recent boot media that supports more recent hardware,
there are already plenty to choose from, e.g. sysresccd or hardy heron.
If you need a more recent stage3 tarball to save upgrade time after
initial install, there are several to choose from, D. Robbins's being the
most famous.

Happy New Year

singsingchow wrote:
> It's 2008 now.

There hasn't been any major update in the Gentoo system which requires
different packages to be installed by default, to get the most recent version,
it's enough just run: emerge --sync && emerge -u world

Merry Christmas...

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singsingchow <singsingchow@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's 2008 now.

I'm sure they'll let you know in the GWN (Gentoo Weekly Newsletter)...

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The sentient life form Aragorn posted the following:

> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
>> singsingchow <singsingchow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's 2008 now.
>>
>> I'm sure they'll let you know in the GWN (Gentoo Weekly Newsletter)...
>
> I'm afraid there hasn't been any GWN anymore since October 15th 2007, nor
> has the news section of the Gentoo website been updated since. :-/

Worrying that is! Hope not a prelude to 'The End Of Gentoo' ®, this is...

De Vliegende Hollander wrote:

> The sentient life form Aragorn posted the following:
>
>> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>>
>>> singsingchow <singsingchow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's 2008 now.
>>>
>>> I'm sure they'll let you know in the GWN (Gentoo Weekly Newsletter)...
>>
>> I'm afraid there hasn't been any GWN anymore since October 15th 2007, nor
>> has the news section of the Gentoo website been updated since. :-/
>
> Worrying that is! Hope not a prelude to 'The End Of Gentoo' ®, this is...

I did indeed find this inactivity worrying, particularly as I'm about to
install a machine worth USD $~20'000/€~16'000 with Gentoo, spread out as
individually customized installations in virtual machines on top of the Xen
hypervisor (including the /dom0/ virtual machine)...

Now I'm aware of the fact that there have been some difficulties at the
Gentoo website late last year regarding the forum and such, but I found it
strange that I suddenly didn't get any weekly newsletters anymore, and that
the website apparently didn't get updated anymore either - /apparently,/
because the documentation section did get updated with an albeit brief
HowTo on /Xen,/ although I'm not excluding the possibility that the /Xen/
HowTo was already there before and that I had previously simply overlooked
its presence. :-/

Additionally, the AMD64 distribution - which is the one I'm interested in -
is still at the 2007.0 release, and thus I would have expected a 2007.1 or
a 2008.0 anytime soon now. I believe that a post elsewhere - it may have
been in this newsgroup or it may have been on some website - suggested that
Daniel Robbins still considers the current 2007.0 to be up to date for
AMD64 - according to the same post, there should already be images of
2007.1 for 32-bit x86 available, but I cannot corroborate this as I haven't
checked - and it may indeed be so, but then again it's been some time since
the GWN spoke of the upcoming new baselayout, which I believe was scheduled
to feature /initng./

Still, the packages for the "stable" repositories all still seem to be
maintained up to a pretty actual level, and the forum does still see its
usual load of GLSA posts. On the other hand however, the Live CD I've
downloaded not too long ago still has an older kernel on it - 2.6.18, I
think - so apparently it's been a while again since they've updated those
images.

It's puzzling, and I wish they'd at least put a message up on their website
to let us know why it's not being updated anymore, or whether we're to
expect a discontinuation of Gentoo as a distribution... :-/

Maybe they're just going the Slackware/Debian way and only release the newer
stuff after it's been out in the field for 5 years already? <grin>
(Slackware still labels the 2.6 kernel generation as
"unstable/testing"... ;-))

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Aragorn wrote:

> I did indeed find this inactivity worrying, particularly as I'm about to
> install a machine worth USD $~20'000/€~16'000 with Gentoo, spread out as
> individually customized installations in virtual machines on top of the Xen
> hypervisor (including the /dom0/ virtual machine)...

You should be able to switch to Sabayon with a little work, in case Gentoo
would come to an end.


> Now I'm aware of the fact that there have been some difficulties at the
> Gentoo website late last year regarding the forum and such, but I found it
> strange that I suddenly didn't get any weekly newsletters anymore,

There been a lot of trouble with the weekly newsletter this year, sometimes
it's just been a biweekly and other times it haven't been published for a
month or so, the real problem has been that they haven't had any writer who
had the time to write one, so it has had a quite low priority.


> because the documentation section did get updated with an albeit brief
> HowTo on /Xen,/ although I'm not excluding the possibility that the /Xen/
> HowTo was already there before and that I had previously simply overlooked
> its presence. :-/

Take a look at the Gentoo wiki too, there is a lot of useful documentation.


> Additionally, the AMD64 distribution - which is the one I'm interested in -
> is still at the 2007.0 release, and thus I would have expected a 2007.1 or
> a 2008.0 anytime soon now.

It may have been better they just used a "version number", then people would
expect less, there hasn't happen that much that would require a new profile,
even the jump in minor version of the glibc went painlessly without any need
of a new profile.


> there should already be images of
> 2007.1 for 32-bit x86 available, but I cannot corroborate this as I haven't
> checked

You need to use one of the "experimental" portage setups, it's not in the
default one.


> Still, the packages for the "stable" repositories all still seem to be
> maintained up to a pretty actual level, and the forum does still see its
> usual load of GLSA posts. On the other hand however, the Live CD I've
> downloaded not too long ago still has an older kernel on it - 2.6.18, I
> think - so apparently it's been a while again since they've updated those
> images.

They don't make new image on each released kernel, and it's not needed, it
requires a lot to make a machine not to boot the .18 kernel.

There is a lot people working, just visit the IRC channels if you need
something like 2007.1/2008.0 and kernel 2.6.24 on your installation media,so
they can have a laugh or two


> Maybe they're just going the Slackware/Debian way and only release the newer
> stuff after it's been out in the field for 5 years already? <grin>
> (Slackware still labels the 2.6 kernel generation as
> "unstable/testing"... ;-))

Gentoo never been that much whats on the install media, you could even go with
a Gentoo 1.4 and make an up to date install, try to take a "Debian 2" or
"RedHat 6.2" install CDs and install the latest version.


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J.O. Aho wrote:

> Aragorn wrote:
>
>> I did indeed find this inactivity worrying, particularly as I'm about to
>> install a machine worth USD $~20'000/€~16'000 with Gentoo, spread out as
>> individually customized installations in virtual machines on top of the
>> Xen hypervisor (including the /dom0/ virtual machine)...
>
> You should be able to switch to Sabayon with a little work, in case Gentoo
> would come to an end.

I know... I've already been thinking along those lines. There are a few
other Gentoo-based distributions as well, Ututo being one of that I
remember the name of... ;-)

>> Still, the packages for the "stable" repositories all still seem to be
>> maintained up to a pretty actual level, and the forum does still see its
>> usual load of GLSA posts. On the other hand however, the Live CD I've
>> downloaded not too long ago still has an older kernel on it - 2.6.18, I
>> think - so apparently it's been a while again since they've updated those
>> images.
>
> They don't make new image on each released kernel, and it's not needed, it
> requires a lot to make a machine not to boot the .18 kernel.

No, I didn't mean to imply that they did, but I was under the impression
however that they updated the installation media on a regular basis, not
because of the kernel but maybe because of some other things like a bugfix
- the AMD64 Live CD I have for instance goes haywire on my two different
videocards[1] - and then this would automatically include a newer kernel,
or so I imagine.

[1] I've got two videocards in the new machine I spoke of earlier. One is a
brandnew Asus GeForce 8800 GTS PCIe card with 640 MB of memory, which will
be driving my two SGI 21" monitors for X11 in an unprivileged Xen domain.

However, as the nVidia driver doesn't work well with Xen or at the very
least breaks on direct hardware acceleration from within an unprivileged
domain, the only solution I see is to hide the videocard from /dom0/ (i.e.
the management virtual machine) and have that one /domU/ (the unprivileged
domains) access the hardware directly.

The downside of this is that you don't have any video in dom0, i.e. when the
system boots up and shuts down. Of course, I only need a framebuffer
in /dom0/ and once everything is set up correctly, I should be able to
access the /dom0/ and the other /domUs/ via /ssh./ So in order to
compensate for that loss of video, I put in a slightly older Gecube Radeon
9250 PCI card - with 256 MB, but that's irrelevant - from another machine.

When booting up from the Live CD, it attempts to start X and fails,
obviously because it doesn't know what videodriver to load. No big deal as
I don't intend to install Gentoo by means of a graphical installer or even
a graphical user interface, but it /could/ be considered a bug. ;-)

> There is a lot people working, just visit the IRC channels if you need
> something like 2007.1/2008.0 and kernel 2.6.24 on your installation
> media,so they can have a laugh or two

I don't need those on the installation media themselves, of course. I am
however currently still waiting until the official release of 2.6.24, as
that kernel has several new features that I really want - the new
scheduler, for one - and I don't plan on compiling a kernel now and
configuring/compiling one again in one or two weeks. In addition, I need
to configure each kernel twice, or probably three times even, as I intend
to configure it differently for /dom0/ and the X11 /domU./ And eventually
again differently for the other /domUs,/ but I'm not sure of that yet. ;-)

As for the topic of IRC, I happen to be running a small IRC network myself,
together with a few other people. ;-)

>> Maybe they're just going the Slackware/Debian way and only release the
>> newer stuff after it's been out in the field for 5 years already? <grin>
>> (Slackware still labels the 2.6 kernel generation as
>> "unstable/testing"... ;-))
>
> Gentoo never been that much whats on the install media, you could even go
> with a Gentoo 1.4 and make an up to date install, try to take a "Debian 2"
> or "RedHat 6.2" install CDs and install the latest version.

True, but I was rather taking a moderate sneer at Gentoo's tendency to wait
a very long time before marking something as stable when it's already
declared stable in most other distributions, although the sneer was
actually intended towards Slackware and Debian far more than towards
Gentoo. ;-)

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Aragorn <aragorn@chatfactory.invalid> wrote:
> De Vliegende Hollander wrote:
>>
>> Worrying that is! Hope not a prelude to 'The End Of Gentoo' ®, this
>> is...
>
> I did indeed find this inactivity worrying, particularly as I'm about
> to install a machine worth USD $~20'000/€~16'000 with Gentoo, spread
> out as individually customized installations in virtual machines on
> top of the Xen hypervisor (including the /dom0/ virtual machine)...
>
[chop]
>
> Additionally, the AMD64 distribution - which is the one I'm
> interested in - is still at the 2007.0 release, and thus I would have
> expected a 2007.1 or a 2008.0 anytime soon now.
>
[chop]
>
> Still, the packages for the "stable" repositories all still seem to be
> maintained up to a pretty actual level, and the forum does still see
> its usual load of GLSA posts.

Well, selinux has been rather unmaintained lately -- *for the last four
months or so*, what's "stable" breaks SELinux.
At a minimum, you need to add the following to /etc/portage/package.mask to
be able to run selinux:

=net-misc/openssh-4.7_p1-r1
=sys-libs/pam-0.99.8.1-r1
=sys-libs/pam-0.99.9.0

The pam ones is because selinux requires pam_stack.so which is deprecated in
the newer pams. The openssh one is because the newer openssh won't let you
change the context after you've logged in through ssh -- possibly, the
default module never was updated. The latter has been reported as a bug,
but nothing has happened.

Regards,
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