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Does 10g run on Windows Server 2000 SP3 (german) ? I had a slightly messed
install over an existing 9i installation (which was probably my fault of
not removing 9i cleanly) and after rebooting and doing
an uninstall and reinstall again I got through with 2 glitches:

1. OCR gave an error (could not be installed or something)

2. ORACss services could not be started (service stayed in state 'starting')


As a result of this installation on Windows Server 2000 the ORATNSListener
process was not starting and gave an error that it could not be started
when restarted manually in the services manager of Windows 2000.


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Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kukulies (at) rwth-aachen.de

Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> Does 10g run on Windows Server 2000 SP3 (german) ? I had a slightly messed
> install over an existing 9i installation (which was probably my fault of
> not removing 9i cleanly) and after rebooting and doing
> an uninstall and reinstall again I got through with 2 glitches:
>
> 1. OCR gave an error (could not be installed or something)
>
> 2. ORACss services could not be started (service stayed in state 'starting')
>
>
> As a result of this installation on Windows Server 2000 the ORATNSListener
> process was not starting and gave an error that it could not be started
> when restarted manually in the services manager of Windows 2000.
>
>
> --
> Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kukulies (at) rwth-aachen.de


Clean install (of Windows, not Oracle) is what I would do at this point.

HJR

Howard J. Rogers <hjr@dizwell.com> wrote:
> Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> > Does 10g run on Windows Server 2000 SP3 (german) ? I had a slightly messed
> > install over an existing 9i installation (which was probably my fault of
> > not removing 9i cleanly) and after rebooting and doing
> > an uninstall and reinstall again I got through with 2 glitches:
> >
> > 1. OCR gave an error (could not be installed or something)
> >
> > 2. ORACss services could not be started (service stayed in state 'starting')

I can now say, that this error is permanent with 10g.
I did a second installation on a totally different machine (Windows XP)
which never got tainted by Oracle before and
during the 10gSetup I got these two errors above. An OS error occured, contact
your system administrator. (that was BS Fehler in german).

Possibly a resource bottleneck. Not enough virtual memory? It is a
1GB Memory, dual processor PIII machine in this case.
The other one failing (this morning) was a 512MB Athlon (FWIW).


> > As a result of this installation on Windows Server 2000 the ORATNSListener
> > process was not starting and gave an error that it could not be started
> > when restarted manually in the services manager of Windows 2000.

Gotta watch now about the listener process if that fails too. Will come
back on this issue later.

> >
> >
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Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kukulies (at) rwth-aachen.de

Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> Howard J. Rogers <hjr@dizwell.com> wrote:
>
>>Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>>
>>>Does 10g run on Windows Server 2000 SP3 (german) ? I had a slightly messed
>>>install over an existing 9i installation (which was probably my fault of
>>>not removing 9i cleanly) and after rebooting and doing
>>>an uninstall and reinstall again I got through with 2 glitches:
>>>
>>>1. OCR gave an error (could not be installed or something)
>>>
>>>2. ORACss services could not be started (service stayed in state 'starting')
>
>
> I can now say, that this error is permanent with 10g.

Could you be a bit more precise in your postings? Which of the above errors
is the one you're refering to with 'this error is permanent'?

And could you please recheck that what you wrote is what's actually
happening? It might be my ignorance, but I've yet to come across OCR
with regards to Oracle, could it be that it was CRS and that one you
can safely ignore (except you plan to create a RAC Installation).

> I did a second installation on a totally different machine (Windows XP)
> which never got tainted by Oracle before and
> during the 10gSetup I got these two errors above. An OS error occured, contact
> your system administrator. (that was BS Fehler in german).
>
> Possibly a resource bottleneck. Not enough virtual memory? It is a
> 1GB Memory, dual processor PIII machine in this case.
> The other one failing (this morning) was a 512MB Athlon (FWIW).

Certainly nothing to do with resource bottleneck. I've got 10g crawling
on a fairly small XP Box (P3-1GHz 384MB). It takes its time to start,
but for certain educational purposes more than sufficient.

>
>
>
>>>As a result of this installation on Windows Server 2000 the ORATNSListener
>>>process was not starting and gave an error that it could not be started
>>>when restarted manually in the services manager of Windows 2000.
>
>
> Gotta watch now about the listener process if that fails too. Will come
> back on this issue later.

Are you aware that there is a listener log and if configured a trace too, and
that they can be found in %ORACLE_HOME%/network/log, %ORACLE_HOME%/network/trace ?

Maybe you find some clues in those files.

HTH
Holger

Holger Baer <holger.baer@science-computing.de> wrote:
> Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> > Howard J. Rogers <hjr@dizwell.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> >>
> >>>Does 10g run on Windows Server 2000 SP3 (german) ? I had a slightly messed
> >>>install over an existing 9i installation (which was probably my fault of
> >>>not removing 9i cleanly) and after rebooting and doing
> >>>an uninstall and reinstall again I got through with 2 glitches:
> >>>
> >>>1. OCR gave an error (could not be installed or something)
> >>>
> >>>2. ORACss services could not be started (service stayed in state 'starting')
> >
> >
> > I can now say, that this error is permanent with 10g.

> Could you be a bit more precise in your postings? Which of the above errors
> is the one you're refering to with 'this error is permanent'?

Sorry for being inprecise. I meant with "this error", both errors, the OCR
installation error and the ORACss Service starting error.

Both errors showed up on two different machines with the 10g .zip file of the
10.1.0.2 download area.

Next time I do the install I will take screenshots.

I would treat them as glitches. But probably crucial for the one who
exactly wants to use these services.


> And could you please recheck that what you wrote is what's actually
> happening? It might be my ignorance, but I've yet to come across OCR
> with regards to Oracle, could it be that it was CRS and that one you
> can safely ignore (except you plan to create a RAC Installation).

> > I did a second installation on a totally different machine (Windows XP)
> > which never got tainted by Oracle before and
> > during the 10gSetup I got these two errors above. An OS error occured, contact
> > your system administrator. (that was BS Fehler in german).
> >
> >
> >
> > Gotta watch now about the listener process if that fails too. Will come
> > back on this issue later.

> Are you aware that there is a listener log and if configured a trace too, and
> that they can be found in %ORACLE_HOME%/network/log, %ORACLE_HOME%/network/trace ?

> Maybe you find some clues in those files.
I examined the install log and got the following entries relevant to to
above two problems: (in german, sort of :-)

1. OCR problem:

command = D:\oracle\product\10.1.0\Db_1\bin\clscfg.exe -local -o D:\oracle\product\10.1.0\Db_1 -l AMERICAN_AMERICA.WE8ISO8859P1
Abfrage zur�ckgegeben: 102
OCR konnte nicht initialisiert werden.
Aufruf von Aktion fileActions10.1.0.2.0 instantiateFile
selectedNodes = null
source = D:\oracle\product\10.1.0\Db_1\bin\localconfig.bat
destination = D:\oracle\product\10.1.0\Db_1\bin\localconfig.bat
variables = null

2. Css problem:

Starten der InstallationInstallationsphase 2 von Komponente CSS Single-instance Common Files
Aufruf von Aktion ntServicesActions10.1.0.2.0 ntStartService
selectedNodes = null
serviceName = OracleCSService

Ausnahme von Aktion: ntStartService
Name der Ausnahme: StartIndeterminate_OS_ErrorException
Zeichenfolge der Ausnahme: BS-Fehler beim Starten des Dienstes OracleCSService
Ausnahmegrad: 0
Ausnahmebehandlung auf Benutzer-Eingabeaufforderung mit folgenden Optionen gesetzt WIEDERHOLEN Ignorieren
Benutzerauswahl:Wiederholen
Starten der InstallationInstallationsphase 2 von Komponente Database Workspace Manager
Starten der InstallationInstallationsphase 2 von Komponente Oracle Java Tools
Starten der InstallationInstallationsphase 2 von Komponente Assistant Common Files
Starten der InstallationInstallationsphase 2 von Komponente XML Parser for C++
Starten der InstallationInstallationsphase 2 von Komponente PL/SQL Embedded Gateway
Starten der InstallationInstallationsphase 2 von Komponente Oracle Administration Assistant for Windows
Aufruf von Aktion ntw32FoldersActions10.1.0.2.0 ntCreateItem
selectedNodes = null
groupName = Oracle - OraDb10g_home1\Configuration and Migration Tools
itemName = Administration Assistant for Windows
exeName = D:\oracle\product\10.1.0\Db_1\MMC Snap-Ins\orammc10.exe
paramName = D:\oracle\product\10.1.0\Db_1\MMC Snap-Ins\Administration Assistant\orammcadm10
workingDir = D:\oracle\product\10.1.0\Db_1\bin
iconFileName = null
icon = null
cmdType = null
multiparamName = null


BTW, for our english readers: Ausnahme is "Exception".

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Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kukulies (at) rwth-aachen.de

Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> Howard J. Rogers <hjr@dizwell.com> wrote:
>
>>Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>>
>>>Does 10g run on Windows Server 2000 SP3 (german) ? I had a slightly messed
>>>install over an existing 9i installation (which was probably my fault of
>>>not removing 9i cleanly) and after rebooting and doing
>>>an uninstall and reinstall again I got through with 2 glitches:
>>>
>>>1. OCR gave an error (could not be installed or something)
>>>
>>>2. ORACss services could not be started (service stayed in state 'starting')
>
>
> I can now say, that this error is permanent with 10g.


Well, I can tell you you're wrong, because most people have never
encountered such errors. I notice several other posts from you claiming
that SYS can't run certain things in 10g that he could in 9i... that,
too, is you and not a generically true observation.

Whatever it is you're doing, pause, take a deep breath, read the
installation documentation, and try again.

For starters, please make sure you are not running DHCP.

Regards
HJR

Howard J. Rogers <hjr@dizwell.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can now say, that this error is permanent with 10g.


> Well, I can tell you you're wrong, because most people have never
> encountered such errors. I notice several other posts from you claiming
> that SYS can't run certain things in 10g that he could in 9i... that,
> too, is you and not a generically true observation.

> Whatever it is you're doing, pause, take a deep breath, read the
> installation documentation, and try again.

> For starters, please make sure you are not running DHCP.

I'm running DHCP. Why shouldn't I ? Could that be causing the
problems I have?

Thanks.


--
Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kukulies (at) rwth-aachen.de

Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> Howard J. Rogers <hjr@dizwell.com> wrote:
>
>>>I can now say, that this error is permanent with 10g.
>
>
>
>>Well, I can tell you you're wrong, because most people have never
>>encountered such errors. I notice several other posts from you claiming
>>that SYS can't run certain things in 10g that he could in 9i... that,
>>too, is you and not a generically true observation.
>
>
>>Whatever it is you're doing, pause, take a deep breath, read the
>>installation documentation, and try again.
>
>
>>For starters, please make sure you are not running DHCP.
>
>
> I'm running DHCP. Why shouldn't I ? Could that be causing the
> problems I have?
>
> Thanks.

Yes. DHCP causes all sorts of problems, which rather answers your "why
shouldn't I?" question.

It specifically states not to in the installation documentation, and
explains that if you are, you have to pretend not to by installing the
Microsoft loopback adapter.

It seems to me rather peculiar in any case to set up *servers* with
DHCP, because there usually aren't many of them, and they tend not to
come and go as the mood takes them. DHCP makes an awful lot of sense
when you have lots of *client* machines to manage, connecting and
disconnecting and re-connecting from the network as workers do their
thing. In short, and in general, DHCP is not particularly suitable for
*servers*.

But regardless of the metaphysics behind that particular discussion, if
you have DHCP, pretend you don't: visit www.microsoft.com and search for
the phrase 'loopback adapter'.

HJR

Howard J. Rogers wrote:
> Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>
>> Howard J. Rogers <hjr@dizwell.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I can now say, that this error is permanent with 10g.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Well, I can tell you you're wrong, because most people have never
>>> encountered such errors. I notice several other posts from you
>>> claiming that SYS can't run certain things in 10g that he could in
>>> 9i... that, too, is you and not a generically true observation.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Whatever it is you're doing, pause, take a deep breath, read the
>>> installation documentation, and try again.
>>
>>
>>
>>> For starters, please make sure you are not running DHCP.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm running DHCP. Why shouldn't I ? Could that be causing the
>> problems I have?
>> Thanks.
>
>
> Yes. DHCP causes all sorts of problems, which rather answers your "why
> shouldn't I?" question.
>
> It specifically states not to in the installation documentation, and
> explains that if you are, you have to pretend not to by installing the
> Microsoft loopback adapter.
>
> It seems to me rather peculiar in any case to set up *servers* with
> DHCP, because there usually aren't many of them, and they tend not to
> come and go as the mood takes them. DHCP makes an awful lot of sense
> when you have lots of *client* machines to manage, connecting and
> disconnecting and re-connecting from the network as workers do their
> thing. In short, and in general, DHCP is not particularly suitable for
> *servers*.
>
> But regardless of the metaphysics behind that particular discussion, if
> you have DHCP, pretend you don't: visit www.microsoft.com and search for
> the phrase 'loopback adapter'.
>
> HJR

Incidentally, if it makes you feel any better, you are not the first to
have run afoul of the "no DHCP (or fake it otherwise)" rule.

So much so, indeed, that I have felt moved to place a networking FAQ now
on my site regarding the matter (http://www.dizwell.com/html/dhcp.html)

Regards
HJR