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We hired a DBA of late who claims to have a lot of experience and none of us
had experience with Oracle before as its a new environment. He said he has
never used Grid Control before. We are using 10g. He said he has always
used scripts.

Is that a concern ? I feel maybe we have not picked the right person. Let me
know.

"F" <f@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> We hired a DBA of late who claims to have a lot of experience and none
> of us had experience with Oracle before as its a new environment. He
> said he has never used Grid Control before. We are using 10g. He said
> he has always used scripts.

Have you setup & used Grid Control?


>
> Is that a concern ?

It would not be a concern for me.

On 2008-05-10, F <f@hotmail.com> wrote:
> We hired a DBA of late who claims to have a lot of experience and none of us
> had experience with Oracle before as its a new environment. He said he has
> never used Grid Control before. We are using 10g. He said he has always
> used scripts.
>
> Is that a concern ? I feel maybe we have not picked the right person. Let me
> know.
>

I don't think it is a concern. A good DBA who has worked on a few Oracle
versions will have a collection of scripts, and will update and add to
them as they move to new versions of Oracle. There are Oracle sites
(even very large ones) which do not use OEM/Grid Control as a matter of
policy (sometimes for financial reasons). Someone who has learnt to be a
good DBA on such a site will use lots of scripts.

Script-using (and writing) DBAs may well understand how Oracle works
better than someone who has only used OEM or whatever and never looked
"under the covers".

The fact alone tells you nothing about whether you have picked the right
person.

E

On May 10, 6:31*pm, "F" <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> We hired a DBA of late who claims to have a lot of experience and none of us
> had experience with Oracle before as its a new environment. He said he has
> never used Grid Control before. We are using 10g. *He said he has always
> used scripts.
>
> Is that a concern ? I feel maybe we have not picked the right person. Let me
> know.

I concur with the other responses, it's not definitive in any case,
but a statement of preference for scripts over GUI tools tends to be
indicative of lots of experience - though it can also be indicative of
irrational prejudices.

Niall Litchfield
http://www.orawin.info/

On May 10, 10:31*am, "F" <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> We hired a DBA of late who claims to have a lot of experience and none of us
> had experience with Oracle before as its a new environment. He said he has
> never used Grid Control before. We are using 10g. *He said he has always
> used scripts.
>
> Is that a concern ? I feel maybe we have not picked the right person. Let me
> know.

I also agree with the others, with the following question:

Does the person show an interest in keeping up with the state of the
art?

If yes, he'll likely go through the learning curve (ie, "why is grid
messed up after I patched?"), and be fine.

If no, he'll have an attitude like "GUI's are for clueless newbies"
and probably have 10% of usefulness he should have, as he struggles
against doing everything through the interface.

Hopefully he will keep an open mind and want to do things right. It
may not even matter, as when he moves on the next person will blame
everything on him, whether deserved or not.

Can you give any specifics as to the cause of your feeling? Simply
being taciturn may or may not be a bad sign - he may simply be
unwilling to say much until he becomes comfortable in the
environment. Or, he may have the attitude problem, and you'll find
out the hard way. It's tough to distinguish between stylistic
differences and problems, it might take 6 months to tell.

Of course, if you are all new to Oracle your expectations may need to
be adjusted too, and the problem may be in his approach to that as
opposed to technical issues. Some places need a bastard dba from
hell, after all is said and done.

jg
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On May 12, 4:56 pm, joel garry <joel-ga...@home.com> wrote:
> On May 10, 10:31 am, "F" <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We hired a DBA of late who claims to have a lot of experience and none of us
> > had experience with Oracle before as its a new environment. He said he has
> > never used Grid Control before. We are using 10g. He said he has always
> > used scripts.
>
> > Is that a concern ? I feel maybe we have not picked the right person. Let me
> > know.
>
> I also agree with the others, with the following question:
>
> Does the person show an interest in keeping up with the state of the
> art?
>
> If yes, he'll likely go through the learning curve (ie, "why is grid
> messed up after I patched?"), and be fine.
>
> If no, he'll have an attitude like "GUI's are for clueless newbies"
> and probably have 10% of usefulness he should have, as he struggles
> against doing everything through the interface.
>
> Hopefully he will keep an open mind and want to do things right. It
> may not even matter, as when he moves on the next person will blame
> everything on him, whether deserved or not.
>
> Can you give any specifics as to the cause of your feeling? Simply
> being taciturn may or may not be a bad sign - he may simply be
> unwilling to say much until he becomes comfortable in the
> environment. Or, he may have the attitude problem, and you'll find
> out the hard way. It's tough to distinguish between stylistic
> differences and problems, it might take 6 months to tell.
>
> Of course, if you are all new to Oracle your expectations may need to
> be adjusted too, and the problem may be in his approach to that as
> opposed to technical issues. Some places need a bastard dba from
> hell, after all is said and done.
>
> jg


> Some places need a bastard dba from
> hell, after all is said and done.

Joel,

and I'm glad for that.

Paul