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I am *very* pleased to present this link:

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/oracle9ipdf/

Best regards,

Jonathan Gennick
Editor, O'Reilly Media
906.387.1698 mailto:jgennick@oreilly.com

Jonathan Gennick wrote:

> I am *very* pleased to present this link:
>
> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/oracle9ipdf/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jonathan Gennick
> Editor, O'Reilly Media
> 906.387.1698 mailto:jgennick@oreilly.com

Thank you for doing so.

And I won't say a single word about a "promotion" as Howard has
been a major contributor to these groups for years and a valuable
member of the Oracle community (even if at times we try each other's
patience). But Oracle 9i? How about a 10g book before the release of
Oracle 11 Jonathan? Can you get Howard to write one? ;-)
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)

"DA Morgan" <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote in message
news:1099463312.257844@yasure...
> Jonathan Gennick wrote:
>
>> I am *very* pleased to present this link:
>>
>> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/oracle9ipdf/
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jonathan Gennick
>> Editor, O'Reilly Media
>> 906.387.1698 mailto:jgennick@oreilly.com
>
> Thank you for doing so.
>
> And I won't say a single word about a "promotion" as Howard has
> been a major contributor to these groups for years and a valuable
> member of the Oracle community (even if at times we try each other's
> patience). But Oracle 9i? How about a 10g book before the release of
> Oracle 11 Jonathan? Can you get Howard to write one? ;-)

I wouldn't want to. It's too early. I hate this miraculous ability of
bookshops to have 10g books on the shelves the day the software is released!
It can only because the authors worked with beta software. That means their
books' content must be suspect to some extent. And, which is worse, their
opinion of the merit of particular new features cannot possibly have any
substance. Such books are in no position to assess the worth or merit, the
pros or cons, of the new features available in the new release.

As a a result, they all-too-frequently turn into shopping lists: 'here's new
feature A, new feature B, new feature C....' and on and on and on, without
any sense of insight or discrimination.

10g will be properly assessable, in my opinion, in the first part of next
year.

Incidentally, I didn't ask Jonathan to post his message, and didn't know he
would.

But I finally have my own insect, which I'm rather chuffed about! Even if it
is just a flying ant.

Regards
HJR

Howard J. Rogers wrote:

> "DA Morgan" <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote in message
> news:1099463312.257844@yasure...
>
>>Jonathan Gennick wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am *very* pleased to present this link:
>>>
>>>http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/oracle9ipdf/
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>
>>>Jonathan Gennick
>>>Editor, O'Reilly Media
>>>906.387.1698 mailto:jgennick@oreilly.com
>>
>>Thank you for doing so.
>>
>>And I won't say a single word about a "promotion" as Howard has
>>been a major contributor to these groups for years and a valuable
>>member of the Oracle community (even if at times we try each other's
>>patience). But Oracle 9i? How about a 10g book before the release of
>>Oracle 11 Jonathan? Can you get Howard to write one? ;-)
>
>
> I wouldn't want to. It's too early. I hate this miraculous ability of
> bookshops to have 10g books on the shelves the day the software is released!
> It can only because the authors worked with beta software. That means their
> books' content must be suspect to some extent. And, which is worse, their
> opinion of the merit of particular new features cannot possibly have any
> substance. Such books are in no position to assess the worth or merit, the
> pros or cons, of the new features available in the new release.
>
> As a a result, they all-too-frequently turn into shopping lists: 'here's new
> feature A, new feature B, new feature C....' and on and on and on, without
> any sense of insight or discrimination.
>
> 10g will be properly assessable, in my opinion, in the first part of next
> year.
>
> Incidentally, I didn't ask Jonathan to post his message, and didn't know he
> would.
>
> But I finally have my own insect, which I'm rather chuffed about! Even if it
> is just a flying ant.
>
> Regards
> HJR

I have no doubt you didn't know Jonathan would do it and given what both
you and Jonathan have contributed to the community I am delighted rather
than offended that he did.

That said ... your timeline for a 10g book is fine with me. It is just
that at this point in time I have no-one asking me about 9i so a 9i book
isn't of much value except as a recommendation to my students whose
companies may well be moving to 9i or who may have 9i but not really
know it. Right now I have a voracious appetite to fill a bookshelf with
10g books. Now if I just had the time to read them cover-to-cover.

Anyway ... Thanks Howard and thanks Jonathan.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)

"DA Morgan" <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote in message
news:1099465815.13430@yasure...
> I have no doubt you didn't know Jonathan would do it and given what both
> you and Jonathan have contributed to the community I am delighted rather
> than offended that he did.
>
> That said ... your timeline for a 10g book is fine with me. It is just
> that at this point in time I have no-one asking me about 9i

Don't you have people asking about RAC? Or Data Guard? Or RMAN?

How much difference is there between the 10g and the 9i implementation of
RAC, just to take one example?

I know there are licensing differences, which is fair enough. And things
might now actually work that should have worked in theory in 9i. But
fundamentally, it's the same.

Point is, Jonathan Lewis' Practical Oracle 8i is still vital reading for 9i
and 10g database users. Same goes here. There's lots of SQL experiments to
try on, for example, Workspace Manager... all of which works unchanged in
10g.

Defensively, perhaps, I'm suggesting that the arrival of a new version
doesn't suddenly mean the features that appeared in the previous version
cease to have relevance. Oh, and bear in mind this is a 9i *Release 2* new
features. When does that version of Oracle expire?

Maybe I should have called it "experimenting with advanced Oracle"? But I
hope to high Heaven I don't have to start having focus groups on what titles
to give to my scribblings!

>so a 9i book
> isn't of much value except as a recommendation to my students whose
> companies may well be moving to 9i or who may have 9i but not really
> know it.

Well, I'm not going to argue that too much. That's fine. But that means you
never recommend Practical Oracle 8i? That's a shame... it's one of the best
books I know for seeing the *practicalities* behind implementing anything in
Oracle. And what version was Tom using when he wrote 'Expert One on One'?
And I know for a fact you still recommend that one!!

>Right now I have a voracious appetite to fill a bookshelf with
> 10g books. Now if I just had the time to read them cover-to-cover.

Understood... I just wonder what possible quality such a bookshelf could
have right now?!

> Anyway ... Thanks Howard and thanks Jonathan.

Likewise. I'm not having a go at you (this time!). I'm just saying that I
couldn't start 10g without knowing what has gone on in 9i. Just as I only
made sense of half of 9i because I'd seen what was new in 8i.

But anyway. I'm not trying to promote anything or defend anything. I wanted
to write it because it made things clearer for me. Whether it helps anyone
else is up for them to decide.

Regards
HJR

Jonathan Gennick wrote:

> I am *very* pleased to present this link:
>
> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/oracle9ipdf/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jonathan Gennick
> Editor, O'Reilly Media
> 906.387.1698 mailto:jgennick@oreilly.com

Check the environment, please:

<H1>Not Found</H1>
The requested URL /toc/0596009550_toc.pdf was not found on this server.
Apache/1.3.31 Server at edocuments.oreilly.com Port 80

I would *never* show that last line, personally, for security
reasons...
--

Regards,
Frank van Bortel

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 22:29:39 -0800, DA Morgan
<damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote:

>Thank you for doing so.
>
>And I won't say a single word about a "promotion" as Howard has
>been a major contributor to these groups for years and a valuable
>member of the Oracle community

I failed to think about the commerciality of that post. I know that
newsgroup readers do not want commercials, and I hope I did not offend
anyone by pointing to Howard's book. I'm excited to have it available
from O'Reilly. I wanted people to know about it. I had to tell
someone.

Best regards,

Jonathan Gennick
Editor, O'Reilly Media
906.387.1698 mailto:jgennick@oreilly.com

Loved the author's mini-bio:

http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/catalog/view/au/2047

"Jonathan Gennick"
> I am *very* pleased to present this link:
> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/oracle9ipdf/
> Best regards,
> Jonathan Gennick
> Editor, O'Reilly Media
> 906.387.1698 mailto:jgennick@oreilly.com

umm is there a "free" version of that pdf book somewhere ??
yeah Im a cheap bastard

"Robert" <rchin@panix.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Jonathan Gennick"
| > I am *very* pleased to present this link:
| > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/oracle9ipdf/
| > Best regards,
| > Jonathan Gennick
| > Editor, O'Reilly Media
| > 906.387.1698 mailto:jgennick@oreilly.com
|
| umm is there a "free" version of that pdf book somewhere ??
| yeah Im a cheap bastard
|
|

$5.95!!!!!!
just don't super-size your burger & fries for a few days....
besides, i'm sure howard would appreciate the royalties to fund his on-going
battle with the wombats

++ mcs