Hello all. My company has decided to go with the comprehensive suite of
oracle apps and we now need to choose a hardware platform. We are
considering all options. From what I have researched thus far, however, we
are laning toward hp-ux. Sun is also another strong contender.

I was wondering what everyone else is running on production as far as a unix
flavor (wintel is out for us.)

I would definitely appreciate any links or reviews that you might know of
that could show objective reasons for choosing one platform over another,
and definitely welcome opinions from those who have experience across
several unix platforms.

Thanks in advance!

"Rubin Farr" <vcovco@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hello all. My company has decided to go with the comprehensive suite of
> oracle apps and we now need to choose a hardware platform. We are
> considering all options. From what I have researched thus far, however, we
> are laning toward hp-ux. Sun is also another strong contender.
>
> I was wondering what everyone else is running on production as far as a
unix
> flavor (wintel is out for us.)
>
> I would definitely appreciate any links or reviews that you might know of
> that could show objective reasons for choosing one platform over another,
> and definitely welcome opinions from those who have experience across
> several unix platforms.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
>

well what skills to you have in your company to support the hardware?

Why don;t you trust intel?

What about a linux system?


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"Rubin Farr" <vcovco@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hello all. My company has decided to go with the comprehensive suite of
> oracle apps and we now need to choose a hardware platform. We are
> considering all options. From what I have researched thus far, however, we
> are laning toward hp-ux. Sun is also another strong contender.
>
> I was wondering what everyone else is running on production as far as a
unix
> flavor (wintel is out for us.)
>
> I would definitely appreciate any links or reviews that you might know of
> that could show objective reasons for choosing one platform over another,
> and definitely welcome opinions from those who have experience across
> several unix platforms.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
>
I would have recommended SUN, but they have started to use cheaper parts and
thus resulting in lower reliability. The company I work for recently
purchased a large SUN box for over a $ 1,000,000 . The machine is only 4
months old and it has had a hardware failure 3 times. We have SUN support
that guarrentees a 2 hour response time with parts and service. In two of
the three failures they did not have the part in stock and we had to wait a
day. We have not had these problems with older SUN machines. In addition,
I talked to a hardware engineer that used to work on those SUN machines and
found out in fact the bean counters have gotten hold of the quality and were
substituting $35 board for a board that used to cost $50. False economy.

In the past I would have said either one are good machines. Now I am afraid
not, SUN has gone to the bean counters, look elsewhere.
Jim

Rubin Farr wrote:

>Hello all. My company has decided to go with the comprehensive suite of
>oracle apps and we now need to choose a hardware platform. We are
>considering all options. From what I have researched thus far, however, we
>are laning toward hp-ux. Sun is also another strong contender.
>
>I was wondering what everyone else is running on production as far as a unix
>flavor (wintel is out for us.)
>
>I would definitely appreciate any links or reviews that you might know of
>that could show objective reasons for choosing one platform over another,
>and definitely welcome opinions from those who have experience across
>several unix platforms.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
If it is my money I'd use Linux.

If it is my employers money and they didn't want Linux I'd suggest
focusing on HP (HP/UX) and
IBM (AIX 5L). I have the same reservations Jim has expressed. Sun seems
to be losing focus on
what it is they are selling and what their customer's expect.

IBM will try to gently push you toward DB2 or Informix; that's their
job, but if you are focused on
Oracle and let them know you aren't interested, they sell a very decent
piece of hardware with,
what I think are, the best CPUs in performance/dollars.

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You say Wintell is out, but I think you should seriously consider Linux.

We have used HP and Sun a lot.

HP use to be our primary choice at one site and it is now Sun.

At another site HP is still the primary choice, but they are considering
Linux for new hardware next year.

We will probably all eventually (next 1-3 years) switch to Linux.

In general, I think HP (most of the time) has the fastest CPUs, but they
also cost more than Suns.

We have good and bad experiences with both Sun and HPs. Some of the bad
experiences were recent with both and some were not recent (7 years ago) .

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"Rubin Farr" <vcovco@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:OdMob.91040$KB.6957@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> Hello all. My company has decided to go with the comprehensive suite of
> oracle apps and we now need to choose a hardware platform. We are
> considering all options. From what I have researched thus far, however, we
> are laning toward hp-ux. Sun is also another strong contender.
>
> I was wondering what everyone else is running on production as far as a
unix
> flavor (wintel is out for us.)
>
> I would definitely appreciate any links or reviews that you might know of
> that could show objective reasons for choosing one platform over another,
> and definitely welcome opinions from those who have experience across
> several unix platforms.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
>

i have nominal linux skills, but we will be outsourcing, training, doing
knowledge transfer, and then transferring to our our team
"DJ" <nospamplease@goaway.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Rubin Farr" <vcovco@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:OdMob.91040$KB.6957@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> > Hello all. My company has decided to go with the comprehensive suite of
> > oracle apps and we now need to choose a hardware platform. We are
> > considering all options. From what I have researched thus far, however,
we
> > are laning toward hp-ux. Sun is also another strong contender.
> >
> > I was wondering what everyone else is running on production as far as a
> unix
> > flavor (wintel is out for us.)
> >
> > I would definitely appreciate any links or reviews that you might know
of
> > that could show objective reasons for choosing one platform over
another,
> > and definitely welcome opinions from those who have experience across
> > several unix platforms.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> >
> >
>
> well what skills to you have in your company to support the hardware?
>
>

Linux 64 bit support is not there yet...maybe in another year or so....I
definitely dig Intel, but we would have to buy more boxes to support the
same amount of users.


"dominant" <member32241@dbforums.com> wrote in message
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> Why don;t you trust intel?
>
> What about a linux system?
>
>
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Thanks Jim...I have heard the same as far as reliability...I personally am
leaning toward HP...

"Jim Kennedy" <kennedy-downwithspammersfamily@attbi.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Rubin Farr" <vcovco@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:OdMob.91040$KB.6957@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> > Hello all. My company has decided to go with the comprehensive suite of
> > oracle apps and we now need to choose a hardware platform. We are
> > considering all options. From what I have researched thus far, however,
we
> > are laning toward hp-ux. Sun is also another strong contender.
> >
> > I was wondering what everyone else is running on production as far as a
> unix
> > flavor (wintel is out for us.)
> >
> > I would definitely appreciate any links or reviews that you might know
of
> > that could show objective reasons for choosing one platform over
another,
> > and definitely welcome opinions from those who have experience across
> > several unix platforms.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> >
> >
> I would have recommended SUN, but they have started to use cheaper parts
and
> thus resulting in lower reliability. The company I work for recently
> purchased a large SUN box for over a $ 1,000,000 . The machine is only 4
> months old and it has had a hardware failure 3 times. We have SUN support
> that guarrentees a 2 hour response time with parts and service. In two of
> the three failures they did not have the part in stock and we had to wait
a
> day. We have not had these problems with older SUN machines. In
addition,
> I talked to a hardware engineer that used to work on those SUN machines
and
> found out in fact the bean counters have gotten hold of the quality and
were
> substituting $35 board for a board that used to cost $50. False economy.
>
> In the past I would have said either one are good machines. Now I am
afraid
> not, SUN has gone to the bean counters, look elsewhere.
> Jim
>
>

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 06:04:49 -0500, Rubin Farr wrote:

> Hello all. My company has decided to go with the comprehensive suite of
> oracle apps and we now need to choose a hardware platform. We are
> considering all options. From what I have researched thus far, however, we
> are laning toward hp-ux. Sun is also another strong contender.
>
> I was wondering what everyone else is running on production as far as a unix
> flavor (wintel is out for us.)
>
<SNIP>

Hi Rubin,

at present I'm not working (
However, when I was, I was in a software house in three parts
geographically. Two sites had Sun and we had HP. HP is by far the most
reliable - Our main production database was running on an old K420 server
on HPUX 10-20 and Oracle 734 - it just ran and ran and ran. Uptime was
measured in years.

I wasn't allowed to upgrade the OS or Oracle to a supported version
because everything was fine - and nobody wanted the hassles that would be
involved in swapping over.

We had another 4 HP boxes (2 L class, 1 N class and another K420) and all
of them just worked on HPUX 11.00 with varios flavours of Oracle from 8.0
to 9i. No problems.

I don't consider myself to have much skills in the Unix admin part of my
job because the systems just worked. I did a couple of OS upgrades on a
couple of the servers - no probs.

Disaster Recovery is a doddle on HPUX - use the command Make_recovery_tape
(or make_recovery) and that is it. All of the vg00 volume group goes to
tape (or whatever) and you can reboot from it on a different server in the
event of a disaster. We tested this at a DR provider and it was all as
sweet as a nut.

The other sites have had engineers on site for days at a time to fix the
Sun boxes - processor boards, Memory chips, discs etc - they just die with
monotonous regularity. We had no mail for three days because the entire
mail system at one site (on a Sun) went down and wouldn't recover.

DR is a PITA as well - or so I'm told by the Sun admins - who get more
Unix experience on their boxes that I ever did on my HP 'babies'.

HP - know it, use it, love it !

And you can get Linux for it as well. )


HTH

Regards,
Norman.

PS. Ok, we *did* lose one K420 processor once - in 7 years !

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