On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:28:12 -0800, Daniel Morgan
<damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote:
....
>
>If you've got a personal problem with Sybrand ignore him. No one is
>forcing you to read what he writes or to respond.
>
....
If you've got a personal problem with Chuck ignore him. No one is
forcing you to read what he writes or to respond.

Jaap.

Daniel Morgan <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote in
news:1075501631.55028@yasure:

> Chuck wrote:
>
>> Still the same old asshole eh Sybrand. I was referring to windows
>> specific documentation. Oradim isn't used anywhere else asshole. But
>> I guess a "Senior Oracle DBA" should know that.
>
> If you've got a personal problem with Sybrand ignore him. No one is
> forcing you to read what he writes or to respond.
>
> There is no excuse for the "colorful" language used above. Can we have
> a bit of adult-level more professional conduct ... please.
>
> Thanks.
>

I have no problem with Sybrand, but seems to have a problem with
everyone that in his mind is inferior to him - which is pretty much
everyone. He insulted me with an unprovoked inflammatory response. It
wouldn't take long to find dozens of such responses to others. The same
type of behavior he's demonstrated over and over in this newsgroup. The
funny part about it is that in the midst of his arrogance, he once again
showed just how little he knows about what he's talking about.

My kill-file entry for him expired or I never would have seen the
response. I've added him back to it. My apologies to anyone else I may
have offended.
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Chuck wrote:

> I have no problem with Sybrand, but seems to have a problem with
> everyone that in his mind is inferior to him - which is pretty much
> everyone. He insulted me with an unprovoked inflammatory response.

Thank you ... but I find that Sybrand's responses are not based on a
superiority complex ... at least that's not the way they strike me.
Rather I think he responds as he did when he thinks that one of the
following conditions exists:

1. Pure unadulterated lazyiness
2. Failure to make an attempt to answer the question before asking (for
example at tahiti, otn, google)
3. Expectation that he will do someone else's work for them ... and for
free.

I have found Sybrand willing to help those that help themselves as is
the case for almost everyone here.

I am not trying to paint you with the brush of any of the three items
listed above. In fact I can't even remember what you posted. But it is
my impression that those things that Sybrand reacts to.

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Daniel Morgan <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote in news:1075839419.193293
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> I am not trying to paint you with the brush of any of the three items
> listed above. In fact I can't even remember what you posted. But it is
> my impression that those things that Sybrand reacts to.
>

The original question had to do with how do you tell oradim which oracle
home to use when there are multiple homes of the same version. In my case
one has a specific patch level and the other does not. He stated
basically that the answer could be found in the documentation. It is not
and I cited the the oracle documentation on oradim right down to the page
number. His response was to insult me and say I was not referring to
Windows specific documentation. How can I not be referencing Windows
specific documentation if it's about oradim? That's the *only* platform
it's used on! I challenged him to provide the manual and page # where he
claims it's documented. He did not. He resorted to insults and name
calling, and he got the same back.

If I had a buck for everyone who's responsed to me in private on this
case and in past cases about how arrogant they think he is or how they
"can't stand that guy" I'd be able to buy both of us a nice steak dinner.
Perhaps if more people *stood* up to his arrogance rather than *put* up
with it, this NG would be more helpful, especially to those he likes to
trample on.
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On 3 Feb 2004 21:36:44 GMT, Chuck <chuckh_nospam@softhome.net> wrote:

>If I had a buck for everyone who's responsed to me in private on this
>case and in past cases about how arrogant they think he is or how they
>"can't stand that guy" I'd be able to buy both of us a nice steak dinner.
>Perhaps if more people *stood* up to his arrogance rather than *put* up
>with it, this NG would be more helpful, especially to those he likes to
>trample on.

Those people belong exactly to the three categories Daniel outlined in
his reply. Like you do,BTW.
Apart from that, they are cowards.
I don't think the NG should be more helpful for people who basically,
like you do too, refuse to do their homework.
The purpose of this group is not to nanny you nor like anyone else,
this group is not a Kindergarten, where pupils need help to go to the
toilet.
Your comments show the same amount of arrogance you seem to perceive
in me. If you know everything better, and are so much more helpful,
why don't you take your fair share of responding to the type of RTFM
questions you usually post here?


--
Sybrand Bakker, Senior Oracle DBA

Chuck <chuckh_nospam@softhome.net> wrote in message news:<Xns94805C12D6AABchuckhsofthomenet@130.133.1. 4>...
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> The only references to oradim in the 8i docs are in 8i the Migration Guide pages 4-15, 7-16, and 13-5.

Try "Oracle8i Administrator's Guide for Windows NT" -> Chapter 6
"Post-Installation Database Creation" -> "Using ORADIM to Administer
an Oracle Instance".

Regards,
Igor

ilaletin@usa.net (Igor Laletin) wrote in
news:f9226414.0402032105.122e6e16@posting.google.c om:

> Chuck <chuckh_nospam@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:<Xns94805C12D6AABchuckhsofthomenet@130.133.1. 4>... ...
>> The only references to oradim in the 8i docs are in 8i the Migration
>> Guide pages 4-15, 7-16, and 13-5.
>
> Try "Oracle8i Administrator's Guide for Windows NT" -> Chapter 6
> "Post-Installation Database Creation" -> "Using ORADIM to Administer
> an Oracle Instance".
>
> Regards,
> Igor
>

Been there, read that. There is nothing in this manual (or any other
Oracle manual that I've found) that explains how to get oradim to specify
which oracle home to use to start an instance with. Keep in mind that the
goal here is to have two services, each starting an instance using a
different oracle home (i.e. a different set of executables), each at a
different patch level of 8.1.7.4.
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Chuck wrote:
> ilaletin@usa.net (Igor Laletin) wrote in
> news:f9226414.0402032105.122e6e16@posting.google.c om:
>
>
>>Chuck <chuckh_nospam@softhome.net> wrote in message
>>news:<Xns94805C12D6AABchuckhsofthomenet@130.133. 1.4>... ...
>>
>>>The only references to oradim in the 8i docs are in 8i the Migration
>>>Guide pages 4-15, 7-16, and 13-5.
>>
>>Try "Oracle8i Administrator's Guide for Windows NT" -> Chapter 6
>>"Post-Installation Database Creation" -> "Using ORADIM to Administer
>>an Oracle Instance".
>>
>>Regards,
>>Igor
>>
>
>
> Been there, read that. There is nothing in this manual (or any other
> Oracle manual that I've found) that explains how to get oradim to specify
> which oracle home to use to start an instance with. Keep in mind that the
> goal here is to have two services, each starting an instance using a
> different oracle home (i.e. a different set of executables), each at a
> different patch level of 8.1.7.4.

Well it's not so obvious, but if you think of oradim as a database tool,
and then read up on starting database tools, you'll find it's pretty much
there, however, it's not specific for oradim.

http://download-uk.oracle.com/docs/c...h1.htm#1167831

Regards,

Holger

"Chuck" <chuckh_nospam@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> ilaletin@usa.net (Igor Laletin) wrote in
> news:f9226414.0402032105.122e6e16@posting.google.c om:
>
> > Chuck <chuckh_nospam@softhome.net> wrote in message
> > news:<Xns94805C12D6AABchuckhsofthomenet@130.133.1. 4>... ...
> >> The only references to oradim in the 8i docs are in 8i the Migration
> >> Guide pages 4-15, 7-16, and 13-5.
> >
> > Try "Oracle8i Administrator's Guide for Windows NT" -> Chapter 6
> > "Post-Installation Database Creation" -> "Using ORADIM to Administer
> > an Oracle Instance".
> >
> > Regards,
> > Igor
> >
>
> Been there, read that. There is nothing in this manual (or any other
> Oracle manual that I've found) that explains how to get oradim to specify
> which oracle home to use to start an instance with. Keep in mind that the
> goal here is to have two services, each starting an instance using a
> different oracle home (i.e. a different set of executables), each at a
> different patch level of 8.1.7.4.
> --

Doesn't running a command prompt and issuing SET ORACLE_HOME=<HOMENAME>
before using oradim to create the service have the desired results? Failing
that I'd navigate to %ORACLE_HOME%\bin for the home in question and then run
oradim from there.


--
Niall Litchfield
Oracle DBA
Audit Commission UK

Chuck wrote:

> Been there, read that. There is nothing in this manual (or any other
> Oracle manual that I've found) that explains how to get oradim to specify
> which oracle home to use to start an instance with. Keep in mind that the
> goal here is to have two services, each starting an instance using a
> different oracle home (i.e. a different set of executables), each at a
> different patch level of 8.1.7.4.

With oradim you specify the PFILE ... the init.ora. You also have values
for ORACLE_HOME and ORACLE_SID set in the environment.

That is all the information required.

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