Hi All,

I am new to Oracle Internet Developer Suite 10g application
development and deployment.
Could any body here please kindly explain me about these basic
question :

1) If I deploy Oracle Form & Report as client server application, Not
Web deployment, do I need to purchase Oracle App Server (IAS) ?
If YES, what is the difference if I use or don't use Oracle IAS for
deployment of Form and Report ?

2) Can I purchase Oracle Form & Report separately ? (not the whole
developer suite)

Thank you,
xtanto

Krist wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am new to Oracle Internet Developer Suite 10g application
> development and deployment.
> Could any body here please kindly explain me about these basic
> question :
>
> 1) If I deploy Oracle Form & Report as client server application, Not
> Web deployment, do I need to purchase Oracle App Server (IAS) ?
> If YES, what is the difference if I use or don't use Oracle IAS for
> deployment of Form and Report ?
>
> 2) Can I purchase Oracle Form & Report separately ? (not the whole
> developer suite)
>
> Thank you,
> xtanto

1. Not deployable in client/server mode except through use of
undocumented means. If you want client/server get 6i.

2. No.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)

Hi Daniel,
Thank you for your reply.

About Oracle Form and IAS :
> 1. Not deployable in client/server mode except through use of
> undocumented means. If you want client/server get 6i.

Does it mean that any deployment that I do with Oracle Form (also
report), whether it is Web or NON Web, I must always purchace Oracle
IAS (with the 'not cheap' license) ??
In other word, If I purchase Oracle FORM, I must also purchase Oracle
IAS License ?

Thank you for your help,
Krist



Daniel Morgan <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote in message > >
> > 1) If I deploy Oracle Form & Report as client server application, Not
> > Web deployment, do I need to purchase Oracle App Server (IAS) ?
> > If YES, what is the difference if I use or don't use Oracle IAS for
> > deployment of Form and Report ?
> >
> > 2) Can I purchase Oracle Form & Report separately ? (not the whole
> > developer suite)
> >
> > Thank you,
> > xtanto
>
> 1. Not deployable in client/server mode except through use of
> undocumented means. If you want client/server get 6i.
>
> 2. No.

Krist wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> About Oracle Form and IAS :
>
>>1. Not deployable in client/server mode except through use of
>>undocumented means. If you want client/server get 6i.
>
>
> Does it mean that any deployment that I do with Oracle Form (also
> report), whether it is Web or NON Web, I must always purchace Oracle
> IAS (with the 'not cheap' license) ??
> In other word, If I purchase Oracle FORM, I must also purchase Oracle
> IAS License ?
>
> Thank you for your help,
> Krist

No iAS is unnecessary. Purchase Developer Suite. You can then deploy
on the web with nothing more than OC4J containers which does not
require iAS but if you use it you need only purchase the Java Edition.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)

Hi Daniel,
Thanks for your reply.

So I can deploy Oracle Forms & Reports as Web or Non Web application
WITHOUT IAS.

So, when / by what reason, do I need to purchase IAS for Forms &
Reports deployment ?

Thank you for your info,
Krist

Daniel Morgan <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote in message news:<1091856344.677929@yasure>...
> Krist wrote:
> > Hi Daniel,
> > Thank you for your reply.
> >
> > About Oracle Form and IAS :
> >
> >>1. Not deployable in client/server mode except through use of
> >>undocumented means. If you want client/server get 6i.
> >
> >
> > Does it mean that any deployment that I do with Oracle Form (also
> > report), whether it is Web or NON Web, I must always purchace Oracle
> > IAS (with the 'not cheap' license) ??
> > In other word, If I purchase Oracle FORM, I must also purchase Oracle
> > IAS License ?
> >
> > Thank you for your help,
> > Krist
>
> No iAS is unnecessary. Purchase Developer Suite. You can then deploy
> on the web with nothing more than OC4J containers which does not
> require iAS but if you use it you need only purchase the Java Edition.

Krist wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> So I can deploy Oracle Forms & Reports as Web or Non Web application
> WITHOUT IAS.
>
> So, when / by what reason, do I need to purchase IAS for Forms &
> Reports deployment ?
>
> Thank you for your info,
> Krist

You need to purchase iAS when OC4J, alone, is not sufficient to support
the functionality you require. To understand what iAS is and does, and
why it is valuable in its various editions, visit otn.oracle.com and
explore its capabilities.

--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)

Krist wrote:

> So I can deploy Oracle Forms & Reports as Web or Non Web application
> WITHOUT IAS.
>
> So, when / by what reason, do I need to purchase IAS for Forms &
> Reports deployment ?
>

You need to contact Oracle sales on this.

Apparently some people think downloading OC4J standalone is sufficient.
However, the download only comes with a Developer's license. You _may_
need to purchase the IAS Java Edition to legally deploy standalone.

Hi Daniel/Hans,

> You _may_ need to purchase the IAS Java Edition to legally deploy standalone.
Is IAS Java Edition enough ??
I read in oracle website, the features : 'Oracle Application Server
Reports Services' and 'Oracle Application Server Forms Services' ONLY
available in Enterprise Edition.

Thank you,
Krist


Hans Forbrich <forbrich@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:<_BaRc.45112$hw6.36050@edtnps84>...
> Krist wrote:
>
> > So I can deploy Oracle Forms & Reports as Web or Non Web application
> > WITHOUT IAS.
> >
> > So, when / by what reason, do I need to purchase IAS for Forms &
> > Reports deployment ?
> >
>
> You need to contact Oracle sales on this.
>
> Apparently some people think downloading OC4J standalone is sufficient.
> However, the download only comes with a Developer's license. You _may_
> need to purchase the IAS Java Edition to legally deploy standalone.

Krist wrote:

> Hi Daniel/Hans,
>
>> You _may_ need to purchase the IAS Java Edition to legally deploy
>> standalone.
> Is IAS Java Edition enough ??
> I read in oracle website, the features : 'Oracle Application Server
> Reports Services' and 'Oracle Application Server Forms Services' ONLY
> available in Enterprise Edition.
>
> Thank you,
> Krist
>

My take is "NO, IAS Java Edition is not enough for a complete and legal
config". (If I am wrong, I'd appreciate proof using links/pointers.) But
you might be able to use Java Edition to lower your total cost.

If you look at the diagram on page 14 of
http://www.oracle.com/technology/pro...alOverview.pdf
you will see that Forms Services consists of a http server, a servlet and
the forms 'runtime' f90web engine.

So technically you 'only' need the the f90web engine and a J2EE Container
servlet engine an http server and an access path between the http server
and the servlet engine.

Theoretically Oracle App Server Java Edition (AS-JE) provides the http
server, the access path (mod_oc4j) and the J2EE container (OC4J).
Therefore the only thing you need to find is a f90web Forms runtime server.
AFAIK, f90web is only bundled in the Forms portion of Developer Suite and
in the App Server Enterprise Edition (AS-EE).

So if I wanted a legal minimum-price config in a multi-server environment, I
would investigate the CPU-based mix of Oracle AS-EE for the back-end Forms
'server' and Oracle AS-JE for access necessary for my load.



/Hans