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HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO USE http://tahiti.oracle.com

What a yoke Mr. Rogerson is, self-appointed 'expert'!

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Sybrand Bakker
Senior Oracle DBA

In article <6obuf3pljqn6v5ma6gkfhc7qlg9n1b6l6p@4ax.com>,
sybrandb@hccnet.nl says...
> Please look at
> http://sqlblogcasts.com/blogs/tonyro...ve-it-bad.aspx
>
>
> HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO USE http://tahiti.oracle.com
>
> What a yoke Mr. Rogerson is, self-appointed 'expert'!
>
>

Sybrand, in my opinion he is dead right on this one.

For me, and for others, tahiti is unintuitive and hard
to use (and I've been using it for years)

> What a yoke Mr. Rogerson is, self-appointed 'expert'!

No you are wrong, I'm not an expert in oracle - I'm a novice - absolutely
100% which is why I wanted to start learning some of it to counter some
rubbish Denial Again Morgan posted.

To my suprise I found the documentation very very poor, very hard to follow
for somebody trying to find how to do 'x'.

It's fine if you want to look up the syntax of a command but if you really
want to find out how to do something without a starting point it's time
consuming and difficult.

I think other people agree with me here based on private feedback I've had
via my blog, talking with other folks and feedback on the oracle forums.

I think 21 years developing, 5 of them on DB2 and the rest on SQL Server,
the level of interaction I have with leading experts in the SQL Server field
and the amount of training I have received and continue to receive pretty
much classifies me as an expert, my clients and peers see me as one - but
that is in SQL Server and nothing else.

I don't have an up-to-date resume because people come to me via my blog,
name referal and through being known as an expert in the SQL UK community;
but if you like I can send you the last one I did some 10 years ago now.

--
Tony Rogerson, SQL Server MVP
http://sqlblogcasts.com/blogs/tonyrogerson
[Ramblings from the field from a SQL consultant]
http://sqlserverfaq.com
[UK SQL User Community]

"Tony Rogerson" <tonyrogerson@torver.net> wrote in message
news:fdnjh8$d4m$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> What a yoke Mr. Rogerson is, self-appointed 'expert'!
>
> No you are wrong, I'm not an expert in oracle - I'm a novice - absolutely
> 100% which is why I wanted to start learning some of it to counter some
> rubbish Denial Again Morgan posted.
>
> To my suprise I found the documentation very very poor, very hard to
> follow for somebody trying to find how to do 'x'.
>
> It's fine if you want to look up the syntax of a command but if you really
> want to find out how to do something without a starting point it's time
> consuming and difficult.
>
> I think other people agree with me here based on private feedback I've had
> via my blog, talking with other folks and feedback on the oracle forums.
>
> I think 21 years developing, 5 of them on DB2 and the rest on SQL Server,
> the level of interaction I have with leading experts in the SQL Server
> field and the amount of training I have received and continue to receive
> pretty much classifies me as an expert, my clients and peers see me as
> one - but that is in SQL Server and nothing else.
>
> I don't have an up-to-date resume because people come to me via my blog,
> name referal and through being known as an expert in the SQL UK community;
> but if you like I can send you the last one I did some 10 years ago now.
>

Hi Tony

Oh dear, your blog entry is a little bit on the embarrassing and naive side.
For someone who claims to have so many years of computing experience, you
don't seem very capable at navigating through Oracle's (extremely
comprehensive) online documentation. And no, the master index is not the
place to start !!

Perhaps if you start at the start (www.oracle.com/pls/db111/db111.homepage),
perhaps use the searching facility (located at the top left corner of the
homepage), perhaps click on the Master Book List link (just below the search
box) to see a list of all the available online manuals and perhaps attempt
to use the online navigation facilities as they've been designed to be used,
you might not struggle so much.

Mind you, if someone can't cope with navigating through Oracle's online
documentation as you publically admit to be struggling, then perhaps you
might not quite have what it takes to work with the software itself ...

It does all rather suggest you're perfectly suited to working only with
Microsoft products

Cheers

Richard

<sybrandb@hccnet.nl> schreef in bericht
news:6obuf3pljqn6v5ma6gkfhc7qlg9n1b6l6p@4ax.com...
> Please look at
> http://sqlblogcasts.com/blogs/tonyro...ve-it-bad.aspx
>
>
> HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO USE http://tahiti.oracle.com
>
> What a yoke Mr. Rogerson is, self-appointed 'expert'!
>
> --
> Sybrand Bakker
> Senior Oracle DBA

I remember a short while ago, someone commented on DA's blog about not
having the possibility to post comments there. As far as I can see, mr.
Rogerson has a comment link. So please go fight your wars over there.

Shakespeare

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:17:59 +0200, Hasta <hasta_l3@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Sybrand, in my opinion he is dead right on this one.
>
>For me, and for others, tahiti is unintuitive and hard
>to use (and I've been using it for years)

Hasta,

Please stop posting this rubbish.
You don't use the Tahiti search interdace.
I you have been using it for years, you should have grasped the
structure of the Oracle documentation.

--
Sybrand Bakker

In article <89puf3lmu0gi2cur63gjvle5ikgl5j1m7t@4ax.com>,
sybrandb@hccnet.nl says...
> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:17:59 +0200, Hasta <hasta_l3@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Sybrand, in my opinion he is dead right on this one.
> >
> >For me, and for others, tahiti is unintuitive and hard
> >to use (and I've been using it for years)
>
> Hasta,
>
> Please stop posting this rubbish.
> You don't use the Tahiti search interdace.

Woaw !!!!

Would you be saying that I am a liar ?


> I you have been using it for years, you should have grasped the
> structure of the Oracle documentation.
>
>

<sybrandb@hccnet.nl> schreef in bericht
news:89puf3lmu0gi2cur63gjvle5ikgl5j1m7t@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:17:59 +0200, Hasta <hasta_l3@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Sybrand, in my opinion he is dead right on this one.
>>
>>For me, and for others, tahiti is unintuitive and hard
>>to use (and I've been using it for years)
>
> Hasta,
>
> Please stop posting this rubbish.
> You don't use the Tahiti search interdace.
> I you have been using it for years, you should have grasped the
> structure of the Oracle documentation.
>
> --
> Sybrand Bakker
>

So you *have* to use it for years to understand the structure?

Shakespeare

On Sep 30, 6:09 am, sybra...@hccnet.nl wrote:
> Please look athttp://sqlblogcasts.com/blogs/tonyrogerson/archive/2007/08/23/oracle-...
>
> HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO USEhttp://tahiti.oracle.com
>
> What a yoke Mr. Rogerson is, self-appointed 'expert'!
>
> --
> Sybrand Bakker
> Senior Oracle DBA


In my opinion, the Oracle documentation is second to none! The issue I
have with it is that I can never find what I am after quickly - it is
difficult to get relevant hits on tahiti or docs and the search hit
ranking is often just plain weird. I have posted on this in this
newsgroup previously. I personally resort to using Google to search
the Oracle documentation, or PSOUG maintained by Daniel.

Where Oracle is deficient in its documentation is that it lacks the
ability to add "Community Content" to the primary documentation, to
extend, further explain, or correct issues that may have been
overlooked. This is great functionality Microsoft have added to
document many of their technologies online, eg. the SQL server
documentation referenced by Tony Rogerson, and others, eg. .Net.

Barry

> Ummm, just how hard did you try ?
>
> Really ?
>

Yer - great; did you try that yourself?

http://www.oracle.com/pls/db111/rank...derated_search

How many of the 27K+ links do I need to trawl through?

Like I said, I want to search on terminology not on syntax - for instance,
we call using the WITH syntax a 'common table expression' I've no idea what
the equiv is in Oracle.

Another example, the common SQL Standard term "derived table"

http://www.oracle.com/pls/db111/rank...&partno=b28286

The first link states support for it but how do I use it? Not one link to
SELECT statement for instance.

> Perhaps Oracle has colour coded syntax after all

Perhaps not.

--
Tony Rogerson, SQL Server MVP
http://sqlblogcasts.com/blogs/tonyrogerson
[Ramblings from the field from a SQL consultant]
http://sqlserverfaq.com
[UK SQL User Community]