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The following is a Request for Discussion, following up on some recent
posts about distributing a periodic news group 'Charter and FAQ' post.
While not formally following RFC/RFD rules, the intent is to use the
rules as a guide for the discussion and make a more formal Request for
Comment and a follow-up formal vote, possibly before year-end.

Proposal:

That the following be posted weekly for this news group:

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Subject: News group Charter and brief FAQ

Charter: (Based on formal RFC vote and created October 1996)

Comp.databases.oracle.server is a newsgroup to discuss Oracle server and
database
administration subjects. Any topic which is especially of interest to
those performing database or system administration duties is welcome in
this group. Discussions of software and applications designed to aid in
database administration should be carried in this group.

The following list is a sample of topics which are included in this news
group:

Oracle database or server installation
Database creation and development
Database administration, tuning, monitoring
Techniques for more efficient access
Importing and Exporting data
Tools and applications designed to aid in database administration.

For more information, refer to http://www.orafaq.com/usenet/charter1.htm
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Netiquette & News group FAQ:

1) Alternate sources

Readers are encouraged to do their own research and to use alternate
related resources before posting a question. Common sources:

From Oracle -

General product information at OTN: http://otn.oracle.com
Code examples: OTN >> Code Samples
Installation examples: Code Samples >> Oracle By Example
All Documentation: http://docs.oracle.com
Error messages lookup: Documentation

Other -

General Oracle FAQ: http://orafaq.com

2) Posting Guidelines

When posting a question, indicate the following information:

* Oracle product name, feature (if appropriate) and version
* Operating system & version
* If code related, post the actual code
* If message related, post the actual message

3) Cross posting

Please do not cross-post to any other comp.database.oracle news group.
If the topic can not be determined from the charter of each group, post
to comp.oracle.database.misc only.

4) SPAM and Commercial Messages

The posting of commercial message, messages intended to promote the sale
of a product or service are expressly forbidden in this group. Please
restrict commercial messages to comp.database.oracle.marketplace

5) Netiquette

Users are encouraged to follow Netiquette guidelines as described in
Virginia Shea's online book 'Netiquette', online version available at
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/index.html

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Discussion to be closed on December 24, 2003, followed by a formal call
for Votes.

Discussion topics to include:

- volunteer individual or organization responsible for maintaining and
delivering this posting
- actual content of the post
- format of the post
- frequency of the post
- and, of course, typos

This RFD initiated by Hans Forbrich
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:40:16 GMT, Hans Forbrich <forbrich@badaddress.net> wrote:
>The following is a Request for Discussion, following up on some recent
>posts about distributing a periodic news group 'Charter and FAQ' post.
>While not formally following RFC/RFD rules, the intent is to use the
>rules as a guide for the discussion and make a more formal Request for
>Comment and a follow-up formal vote, possibly before year-end.
>
>Proposal:
>
>That the following be posted weekly for this news group:
>
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><< end of proposed content <<
>
>Discussion to be closed on December 24, 2003, followed by a formal call
>for Votes.
>
>Discussion topics to include:
>
>- volunteer individual or organization responsible for maintaining and
>delivering this posting

I volunteer a website, http://www.dbaoracle.net

>- actual content of the post

I think the post should be a one liner, with subject "READ THIS BEFORE POSTING
TO THIS NEWSGROUP"

And the content should simply be "This website explains Netiquette for this
newsgroup, read before posting - http://www.dbaoracle.net"

>- format of the post
>- frequency of the post
>- and, of course, typos

I have a draft up, which will be reformatted to be more like the standard
FAQ in the next few days. Comments appreciated, send to
r t f m @ d b a o r a c l e . n e t (remove spaces).

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Oracle Unix Guy wrote:
>
>
> I volunteer a website, http://www.dbaoracle.net
>
> >- actual content of the post
>
> I think the post should be a one liner, with subject "READ THIS BEFORE POSTING
> TO THIS NEWSGROUP"
>
> And the content should simply be "This website explains Netiquette for this
> newsgroup, read before posting - http://www.dbaoracle.net"
>
> >- format of the post
> >- frequency of the post
> >- and, of course, typos
>
> I have a draft up, which will be reformatted to be more like the standard
> FAQ in the next few days. Comments appreciated, send to
> r t f m @ d b a o r a c l e . n e t (remove spaces).
>

Thanks for your offer and your feedback. I'm a little saddened that
your offer comes 1 day before I put the proposal to a vote. Had it been
earlier, we could have solicited more input and interaction on your
suggestion. My original post has been out for several weeks now and
most of the discussion has been in cdo.misc

I'll try to work some of your suggestions into the final proposal
tomorrow. You are, of course, free to put forth your own proposal in
addition to (or in place of) mine.

/Hans

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:22:01 GMT, Hans Forbrich <forbrich@yahoo.net> wrote:
>Oracle Unix Guy wrote:
>>
>>
>> I volunteer a website, http://www.dbaoracle.net
>>
>> >- actual content of the post
>>
>> I think the post should be a one liner, with subject "READ THIS BEFORE POSTING
>> TO THIS NEWSGROUP"
>>
>> And the content should simply be "This website explains Netiquette for this
>> newsgroup, read before posting - http://www.dbaoracle.net"
>>
>> >- format of the post
>> >- frequency of the post
>> >- and, of course, typos
>>
>> I have a draft up, which will be reformatted to be more like the standard
>> FAQ in the next few days. Comments appreciated, send to
>> r t f m @ d b a o r a c l e . n e t (remove spaces).
>>
>
>Thanks for your offer and your feedback. I'm a little saddened that
>your offer comes 1 day before I put the proposal to a vote. Had it been
>earlier, we could have solicited more input and interaction on your
>suggestion. My original post has been out for several weeks now and
>most of the discussion has been in cdo.misc

No need to be sad. Unless there is a lot more going on in the background
or that has made it to my newsfeed than I've seen, only you, me and Mark S.
have actually volunteered to do anything?

Apologies on the procrastination, I've been dealing with work and an
awful flu season.

>
>I'll try to work some of your suggestions into the final proposal
>tomorrow. You are, of course, free to put forth your own proposal in
>addition to (or in place of) mine.

Since I'm doing it as a website where I have final authority, I'm doing
it anyways. I'm using the Linus Torvalds Benificent Despot model here, so
I'd like it if we work together, but if not, hey, no big whoop. Anyways,
I'm trying explicitly to distill the cdo netwisdom to something palatable
to newbies, so I don't see any real conflict, except as regards periodic
newsgroup postings. I think most newbies _want_ to know the rules and
would appreciate such a site, rather than a gang-FAQ when they trip over
the obvious.

>
>/Hans

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