Hello,

I need to find the pricing for WGE and ESE(old name) If anyone can point me
in the right direction.

Also, are DUO chips counted as two, like the xeons from Intel?

Thanks in advance
Mairhtin O'Feannag

Pricing would depend upon the customer and their entitled discount via
Passport Advantage. Recommend that you contact your local rep. Far as
the dual-core/quad-core thing is concerned, see

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/lotu...customers.html

Larry E.

Mairhtin O'Feannag wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I need to find the pricing for WGE and ESE(old name) If anyone can point me
> in the right direction.
>
> Also, are DUO chips counted as two, like the xeons from Intel?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Mairhtin O'Feannag

"Mairhtin O'Feannag" <irishboyca@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99B9A2B839D1Cmairhtinofeannag@207.115.33.1 02...
> Hello,
>
> I need to find the pricing for WGE and ESE(old name) If anyone can point
> me
> in the right direction.
>
> Also, are DUO chips counted as two, like the xeons from Intel?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Mairhtin O'Feannag

Intel Core Duo and AMD dual core chips are counted as one CPU. Quad core
chips are counted as two CPU's.

I believe there is a slightly different formula for dual core Power PC and
Sun chips, but not 100% sure.

OK, let me be a bit clearer on this. The customer has no entitlments, no
Passport advantage, nuttin. They are like a Mom and Pop operation.
There is no local rep., we are on our own. Abandoned, discarded, alone.
No more business will ever come from this customer, beyond buying DB2, so
IBM have no use for them. They have said as much publicly.

There HAS to be some literature on the pricing, as I remember seeing it.
A table of editions, limitations (CPUs, memory, etc) and resultant
pricing.

If only I could find that, I'd be over-joyed.

Mairhtin



Larry <larry@nospam.net> wrote in news:STgLi.322$5o2.321@newsfe12.lga:

> Pricing would depend upon the customer and their entitled discount via
> Passport Advantage. Recommend that you contact your local rep. Far as
> the dual-core/quad-core thing is concerned, see
>
> http://www-306.ibm.com/software/lotu...vu_licensing_f
> or_customers.html
>
> Larry E.
>
> Mairhtin O'Feannag wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I need to find the pricing for WGE and ESE(old name) If anyone can
>> point me in the right direction.
>>
>> Also, are DUO chips counted as two, like the xeons from Intel?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Mairhtin O'Feannag

"Mairhtin O'Feannag" <irishboyca@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99BA6CC85723Fmairhtinofeannag@207.115.33.1 02...
> OK, let me be a bit clearer on this. The customer has no entitlments, no
> Passport advantage, nuttin. They are like a Mom and Pop operation.
> There is no local rep., we are on our own. Abandoned, discarded, alone.
> No more business will ever come from this customer, beyond buying DB2, so
> IBM have no use for them. They have said as much publicly.
>
> There HAS to be some literature on the pricing, as I remember seeing it.
> A table of editions, limitations (CPUs, memory, etc) and resultant
> pricing.
>
> If only I could find that, I'd be over-joyed.
>
> Mairhtin

DB2 Express-C is available for free on a server that has up to two dual-core
processors running Linux or Windows so long as the server has a maximum of
4GB of memory. There is no limitation on database size. It has pretty much
the same features as Workgroup Edition, plus some extras. There is no phone
support (there is only support on an IBM forum -- see their website) and
they don't issue fixpacks on the same interval as the other products.

If you want phone support and more frequent fixpacks, you can upgrade to DB2
Express, which is cheaper than Workgroup Edition.

You can process a lot a transactions/queries with a server that is running
DB2 Express-C on a machine with 2 dual-core processors and 4GB of memory.
This is the deal of the century.

Mark A wrote:
> "Mairhtin O'Feannag" <irishboyca@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns99BA6CC85723Fmairhtinofeannag@207.115.33.1 02...
>> OK, let me be a bit clearer on this. The customer has no entitlments, no
>> Passport advantage, nuttin. They are like a Mom and Pop operation.
>> There is no local rep., we are on our own. Abandoned, discarded, alone.
>> No more business will ever come from this customer, beyond buying DB2, so
>> IBM have no use for them. They have said as much publicly.
>>
>> There HAS to be some literature on the pricing, as I remember seeing it.
>> A table of editions, limitations (CPUs, memory, etc) and resultant
>> pricing.
>>
>> If only I could find that, I'd be over-joyed.
>>
>> Mairhtin
>
> DB2 Express-C is available for free on a server that has up to two dual-core
> processors running Linux or Windows so long as the server has a maximum of
> 4GB of memory. There is no limitation on database size. It has pretty much
> the same features as Workgroup Edition, plus some extras. There is no phone
> support (there is only support on an IBM forum -- see their website) and
> they don't issue fixpacks on the same interval as the other products.
>
> If you want phone support and more frequent fixpacks, you can upgrade to DB2
> Express, which is cheaper than Workgroup Edition.
Actually there is also a support option for DB2 Express C
http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2...s/support.html
It's based on a 12 Month subscription system.

Cheers
Serge
--
Serge Rielau
DB2 Solutions Development
IBM Toronto Lab

Mairhtin O'Feannag wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I need to find the pricing for WGE and ESE(old name) If anyone can point me
> in the right direction.
>

Go to the "Software on-line catalog".

http://www.ibm.com/software/info/eca..._US/index.html


When you find the product, you can click on "View Pricing" and it will
show you the list prices. Please note, each Intel Xeon CPU core = 50
"value units". So a server with 2 dual-core Xeon CPUs = 200 value units.

OK, let me be even MORE clear. The client bought a new machine since the
one they had prior had "topped out". They now need the software to run
their apps. They are currently running ESE 7.2 . They want to be in a
position to have a supported version.

The machine they purchased has : Win 2003 server, core 2 duo xeon 2
processors 2 G mem hot swap SATA 2 320 G

the doc I have been able to chase down says :

Program charges: DB2 Workgroup 9 can be deployed in Linux, UNIX, and
Windows server environments on systems with up to four processors and 16 GB
of memory. You must acquire a separate user license for each authorized
user of this product, with a minimum purchase of five users per server.


D51NDLL DB2 UDB WORKGROUP SERVER UNLIMITED ED PROCESSOR LIC+SW MAINT 12
MO 1 DB2 Data Management Software DB2 Universal
Database DB2 UDB Wkgrp Unlim Ed PSPT ADV All Lang per ESD/PA Media
Pks License + SW Maintenance 5765F43 All OS per ESD/PA Media Pks
N/AP 41.7 NOT APPLICABLE 4/5/2003 31/12/9999 United States
USD $9,375.00 $9,375.00 $7,688.00 $7,219.00 $6,891.00
$6,656.00 $6,469.00 $6,141.00 $5,859.00 $3,750.00

10 grand seems a lot (including "per seat") licenses in fact it is too much
for them to bear. There must be a way to get them on V9. They have web
apps that connect, but no more than 6 apps.


Hope this clears things up a bit and stops any nonsense about the express
version!!

Mairhtin O'Feannag

Serge Rielau <srielau@ca.ibm.com> wrote in
news:5m7tf8Fc6cnhU1@mid.individual.net:

> Mark A wrote:
>> "Mairhtin O'Feannag" <irishboyca@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns99BA6CC85723Fmairhtinofeannag@207.115.33.1 02...
>>> OK, let me be a bit clearer on this. The customer has no
>>> entitlments, no Passport advantage, nuttin. They are like a Mom and
>>> Pop operation. There is no local rep., we are on our own.
>>> Abandoned, discarded, alone. No more business will ever come from
>>> this customer, beyond buying DB2, so IBM have no use for them. They
>>> have said as much publicly.
>>>
>>> There HAS to be some literature on the pricing, as I remember seeing
>>> it. A table of editions, limitations (CPUs, memory, etc) and
>>> resultant pricing.
>>>
>>> If only I could find that, I'd be over-joyed.
>>>
>>> Mairhtin
>>
>> DB2 Express-C is available for free on a server that has up to two
>> dual-core processors running Linux or Windows so long as the server
>> has a maximum of 4GB of memory. There is no limitation on database
>> size. It has pretty much the same features as Workgroup Edition, plus
>> some extras. There is no phone support (there is only support on an
>> IBM forum -- see their website) and they don't issue fixpacks on the
>> same interval as the other products.
>>
>> If you want phone support and more frequent fixpacks, you can upgrade
>> to DB2 Express, which is cheaper than Workgroup Edition.
> Actually there is also a support option for DB2 Express C
> http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2...s/support.html
> It's based on a 12 Month subscription system.
>
> Cheers
> Serge

Afaik, WSUE is not licensed on a per-user basis, but rather on a
per-socket basis. This to provide a solution for asp services, etc.

Mairhtin O'Feannag wrote:

> Program charges: DB2 Workgroup 9 can be deployed in Linux, UNIX, and
> Windows server environments on systems with up to four processors and 16 GB
> of memory. You must acquire a separate user license for each authorized
> user of this product, with a minimum purchase of five users per server.
>
>
> D51NDLL DB2 UDB WORKGROUP SERVER UNLIMITED ED PROCESSOR LIC+SW MAINT 12
> MO 1 DB2 Data Management Software DB2 Universal
> Database DB2 UDB Wkgrp Unlim Ed PSPT ADV All Lang per ESD/PA Media
> Pks License + SW Maintenance 5765F43 All OS per ESD/PA Media Pks
> N/AP 41.7 NOT APPLICABLE 4/5/2003 31/12/9999 United States
> USD $9,375.00 $9,375.00 $7,688.00 $7,219.00 $6,891.00
> $6,656.00 $6,469.00 $6,141.00 $5,859.00 $3,750.00
>
> 10 grand seems a lot (including "per seat") licenses in fact it is too much
> for them to bear. There must be a way to get them on V9. They have web
> apps that connect, but no more than 6 apps.
>
> Hope this clears things up a bit and stops any nonsense about the
express
> version!!
>

No offence, but I DO believe a way to get them on V9 was given, in the
form of Express-C.
Express-C was not so much released as some crippled demo version, but
rather as a serious competitor to the free-of-charge OSS databases that
are commonly used in ASP environments.
The professional DB2 solutions are expensive, since they are
professional products that guarantee quality and have endured many many
years of research and improvement.
The cheap, compatible alternative solution is express-c.
The overall performance of express-c is good and it still delivers the
same quality, at the expense of standard support (still optional) and
the ability to address more than 4GB of RAM (And perhaps some
functionality found in more expensive DB's, but as a DBA of both
express-C and WSUE, I have not yet found any, so none relevant for
typical use).

Still, a express-C database with carefully tuned bufferpools and memory
parameters and a decent storage array will still operate on a more than
acceptable level for a lot of companies.

Our 78GB OLTP DB runs well enough in an express-C environment.

Mairhtin O'Feannag wrote:
> OK, let me be even MORE clear. The client bought a new machine since the
> one they had prior had "topped out". They now need the software to run
> their apps. They are currently running ESE 7.2 . They want to be in a
> position to have a supported version.
>
> The machine they purchased has : Win 2003 server, core 2 duo xeon 2
> processors 2 G mem hot swap SATA 2 320 G
>
> [...]
>
> 10 grand seems a lot (including "per seat") licenses in fact it is too much
> for them to bear. There must be a way to get them on V9. They have web
> apps that connect, but no more than 6 apps.
>

The prices you're quoting (which appear to be from BEFORE the switch to
"value units" sound on-par with my experience. And just so you know,
those are per "CPU", and your server has 2 CPUs (even though they are
dual-core. Confusing, yes and this is why IBM switched to "value
units"). So it's more like $20k.

But you also need to consider what you need: Do you really need WSE?
You've only got 4 cores, and 2 Gb RAM. Unless you're planning to
radically increase these numbers, Express (or even Express-C, with
subscription support) should be plenty.