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| I have to agree inflamitory statement that PP has any advantages over AS "Elad Israeli" <EladAAA7690AAA@hotAAAmail.AAA.com> wrote in message news:eW7lCYmxEHA.1188@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > IMHO, Cognos have absolutely no advantages over AS that are worth > mentioning from an OLAP Server standpoint. The only advantage Cognos have > is from a client tool standpoint. That is, many consider the Cognos > client tool more intuitive for users, but that requires you to purchase > everything from one vendor, while AS allow you to choose from quite an > extensive variety of client tools. > > -- > =============================== > Remove "AAA" characters to email me. > > > > "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news >> Alex, >> please elobrate on the so called advantages thet PP has over AS >> >> Reg >> >> P.S. an interface does not make a better product ( if this is your >> selection criteria i dont want to be the devloper makeing cubes in your >> company) >> >> >> "AlexD" <AlexD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:00B4DF78-25CD-44C5-A70E-F8132AFD5E07@microsoft.com... >>> We need to make a choice between using MS AS or Cognos PowerPlay. >>> PowerPlay >>> has a much better interface and some advantages. >>> Can anyone comment on this? Also, does anyone know of good fron-end >>> products >>> to create MS AS cubes rather than using the Microsoft UI? >>> Thanks >>> Alex >>> alexdinu1@hotmail.com >>> >> >> > > |
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| Hi, We have experience with MSAS (OLAP Database) + Panorama Novaview (frontend) compared with Cognos PowerPlay and one of our customers have made the decision to go for MSAS + Panorama NovaView instead of Cognos PowerPlay based fast performance, very good user interface and total cost. Please visit www.gmsbv.nl and you can see Panorama NovaView live from one of our customer internet websites and see the features and performance live over internet. Regards, Marco "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Btadnbb8Ts5XIQzcRVn-jA@is.co.za>... > I have to agree > inflamitory statement that PP has any advantages over AS > > > "Elad Israeli" <EladAAA7690AAA@hotAAAmail.AAA.com> wrote in message > news:eW7lCYmxEHA.1188@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > IMHO, Cognos have absolutely no advantages over AS that are worth > > mentioning from an OLAP Server standpoint. The only advantage Cognos have > > is from a client tool standpoint. That is, many consider the Cognos > > client tool more intuitive for users, but that requires you to purchase > > everything from one vendor, while AS allow you to choose from quite an > > extensive variety of client tools. > > > > -- > > =============================== > > Remove "AAA" characters to email me. > > > > > > > > "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news > >> Alex, > >> please elobrate on the so called advantages thet PP has over AS > >> > >> Reg > >> > >> P.S. an interface does not make a better product ( if this is your > >> selection criteria i dont want to be the devloper makeing cubes in your > >> company) > >> > >> > >> "AlexD" <AlexD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:00B4DF78-25CD-44C5-A70E-F8132AFD5E07@microsoft.com... > >>> We need to make a choice between using MS AS or Cognos PowerPlay. > >>> PowerPlay > >>> has a much better interface and some advantages. > >>> Can anyone comment on this? Also, does anyone know of good fron-end > >>> products > >>> to create MS AS cubes rather than using the Microsoft UI? > >>> Thanks > >>> Alex > >>> alexdinu1@hotmail.com > >>> > >> > >> > > > > |
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| Panorama NovaView does NOT have better performance over Cognos PowerPlay. Analysis Services HAS better performance than Cognos, but the Cognos client tool is quite robust and has very good interface. -- =============================== Remove "AAA" characters to email me. "Marco Groeneveld" <olap@gmsbv.nl> wrote in message news:211f845f.0411100449.16720842@posting.google.c om... > Hi, > > We have experience with MSAS (OLAP Database) + Panorama Novaview > (frontend) compared with Cognos PowerPlay and one of our customers > have made the decision to go for MSAS + Panorama NovaView instead of > Cognos PowerPlay based fast performance, very good user interface and > total cost. > > Please visit www.gmsbv.nl and you can see Panorama NovaView live from > one of our customer internet websites and see the features and > performance live over internet. > > Regards, Marco > > > "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:<Btadnbb8Ts5XIQzcRVn-jA@is.co.za>... >> I have to agree >> inflamitory statement that PP has any advantages over AS >> >> >> "Elad Israeli" <EladAAA7690AAA@hotAAAmail.AAA.com> wrote in message >> news:eW7lCYmxEHA.1188@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... >> > IMHO, Cognos have absolutely no advantages over AS that are worth >> > mentioning from an OLAP Server standpoint. The only advantage Cognos >> > have >> > is from a client tool standpoint. That is, many consider the Cognos >> > client tool more intuitive for users, but that requires you to purchase >> > everything from one vendor, while AS allow you to choose from quite an >> > extensive variety of client tools. >> > >> > -- >> > =============================== >> > Remove "AAA" characters to email me. >> > >> > >> > >> > "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > news >> >> Alex, >> >> please elobrate on the so called advantages thet PP has over AS >> >> >> >> Reg >> >> >> >> P.S. an interface does not make a better product ( if this is your >> >> selection criteria i dont want to be the devloper makeing cubes in >> >> your >> >> company) >> >> >> >> >> >> "AlexD" <AlexD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:00B4DF78-25CD-44C5-A70E-F8132AFD5E07@microsoft.com... >> >>> We need to make a choice between using MS AS or Cognos PowerPlay. >> >>> PowerPlay >> >>> has a much better interface and some advantages. >> >>> Can anyone comment on this? Also, does anyone know of good fron-end >> >>> products >> >>> to create MS AS cubes rather than using the Microsoft UI? >> >>> Thanks >> >>> Alex >> >>> alexdinu1@hotmail.com >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > |
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| Hi, Well I have to say that the Panorama java webclient is one of the fastest OLAP clients available. Even it is faster than the Panorama html webclient. We have experience that any html client is slower in performance than the Panorama java webclient! Maybe this is also due to MSAS MOLAP but more based on the Panorama Intelligence Server! Regards, Marco "Elad Israeli" <EladAAA7690AAA@hotAAAmail.AAA.com> wrote in message news:<OYpwQXyxEHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>... > Panorama NovaView does NOT have better performance over Cognos PowerPlay. > Analysis Services HAS better performance than Cognos, but the Cognos client > tool is quite robust and has very good interface. > > -- > =============================== > Remove "AAA" characters to email me. > > > > "Marco Groeneveld" <olap@gmsbv.nl> wrote in message > news:211f845f.0411100449.16720842@posting.google.c om... > > Hi, > > > > We have experience with MSAS (OLAP Database) + Panorama Novaview > > (frontend) compared with Cognos PowerPlay and one of our customers > > have made the decision to go for MSAS + Panorama NovaView instead of > > Cognos PowerPlay based fast performance, very good user interface and > > total cost. > > > > Please visit www.gmsbv.nl and you can see Panorama NovaView live from > > one of our customer internet websites and see the features and > > performance live over internet. > > > > Regards, Marco > > > > > > "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:<Btadnbb8Ts5XIQzcRVn-jA@is.co.za>... > >> I have to agree > >> inflamitory statement that PP has any advantages over AS > >> > >> > >> "Elad Israeli" <EladAAA7690AAA@hotAAAmail.AAA.com> wrote in message > >> news:eW7lCYmxEHA.1188@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > >> > IMHO, Cognos have absolutely no advantages over AS that are worth > >> > mentioning from an OLAP Server standpoint. The only advantage Cognos > >> > have > >> > is from a client tool standpoint. That is, many consider the Cognos > >> > client tool more intuitive for users, but that requires you to purchase > >> > everything from one vendor, while AS allow you to choose from quite an > >> > extensive variety of client tools. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > =============================== > >> > Remove "AAA" characters to email me. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> > news > >> >> Alex, > >> >> please elobrate on the so called advantages thet PP has over AS > >> >> > >> >> Reg > >> >> > >> >> P.S. an interface does not make a better product ( if this is your > >> >> selection criteria i dont want to be the devloper makeing cubes in > >> >> your > >> >> company) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "AlexD" <AlexD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:00B4DF78-25CD-44C5-A70E-F8132AFD5E07@microsoft.com... > >> >>> We need to make a choice between using MS AS or Cognos PowerPlay. > >> >>> PowerPlay > >> >>> has a much better interface and some advantages. > >> >>> Can anyone comment on this? Also, does anyone know of good fron-end > >> >>> products > >> >>> to create MS AS cubes rather than using the Microsoft UI? > >> >>> Thanks > >> >>> Alex > >> >>> alexdinu1@hotmail.com > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > |
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| I'm using SQL-server and Cognos PowerPlay. I've never seen Analysis Services in action. Is there a demo site somewhere that shows the frontend? /Kent J. "Elad Israeli" <EladAAA7690AAA@hotAAAmail.AAA.com> wrote in message news:OYpwQXyxEHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > Panorama NovaView does NOT have better performance over Cognos PowerPlay. > Analysis Services HAS better performance than Cognos, but the Cognos client > tool is quite robust and has very good interface. > > -- > =============================== > Remove "AAA" characters to email me. > > > > "Marco Groeneveld" <olap@gmsbv.nl> wrote in message > news:211f845f.0411100449.16720842@posting.google.c om... > > Hi, > > > > We have experience with MSAS (OLAP Database) + Panorama Novaview > > (frontend) compared with Cognos PowerPlay and one of our customers > > have made the decision to go for MSAS + Panorama NovaView instead of > > Cognos PowerPlay based fast performance, very good user interface and > > total cost. > > > > Please visit www.gmsbv.nl and you can see Panorama NovaView live from > > one of our customer internet websites and see the features and > > performance live over internet. > > > > Regards, Marco > > > > > > "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:<Btadnbb8Ts5XIQzcRVn-jA@is.co.za>... > >> I have to agree highly > >> inflamitory statement that PP has any advantages over AS > >> > >> > >> "Elad Israeli" <EladAAA7690AAA@hotAAAmail.AAA.com> wrote in message > >> news:eW7lCYmxEHA.1188@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > >> > IMHO, Cognos have absolutely no advantages over AS that are worth > >> > mentioning from an OLAP Server standpoint. The only advantage Cognos > >> > have > >> > is from a client tool standpoint. That is, many consider the Cognos > >> > client tool more intuitive for users, but that requires you to purchase > >> > everything from one vendor, while AS allow you to choose from quite an > >> > extensive variety of client tools. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > =============================== > >> > Remove "AAA" characters to email me. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> > news > >> >> Alex, > >> >> please elobrate on the so called advantages thet PP has over AS > >> >> > >> >> Reg > >> >> > >> >> P.S. an interface does not make a better product ( if this is your > >> >> selection criteria i dont want to be the devloper makeing cubes in > >> >> your > >> >> company) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "AlexD" <AlexD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:00B4DF78-25CD-44C5-A70E-F8132AFD5E07@microsoft.com... > >> >>> We need to make a choice between using MS AS or Cognos PowerPlay. > >> >>> PowerPlay > >> >>> has a much better interface and some advantages. > >> >>> Can anyone comment on this? Also, does anyone know of good fron-end > >> >>> products > >> >>> to create MS AS cubes rather than using the Microsoft UI? > >> >>> Thanks > >> >>> Alex > >> >>> alexdinu1@hotmail.com > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > |
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| AS is free if you are licenced for SQL server simply get out the CD and install AS as with most MS products there is a demo set of cubes called FoodMart as well as tutorials installed when you install AS After the install you will find the analysis manager in your SQL server group on the start menu If you do this you wont be sorry R "Kent Johnson" <08.6044303@telia.com> wrote in message news:Ogvkd.121549$dP1.417056@newsc.telia.net... > I'm using SQL-server and Cognos PowerPlay. > I've never seen Analysis Services in action. > Is there a demo site somewhere that shows the frontend? > /Kent J. > > > "Elad Israeli" <EladAAA7690AAA@hotAAAmail.AAA.com> wrote in message > news:OYpwQXyxEHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >> Panorama NovaView does NOT have better performance over Cognos PowerPlay. >> Analysis Services HAS better performance than Cognos, but the Cognos > client >> tool is quite robust and has very good interface. >> >> -- >> =============================== >> Remove "AAA" characters to email me. >> >> >> >> "Marco Groeneveld" <olap@gmsbv.nl> wrote in message >> news:211f845f.0411100449.16720842@posting.google.c om... >> > Hi, >> > >> > We have experience with MSAS (OLAP Database) + Panorama Novaview >> > (frontend) compared with Cognos PowerPlay and one of our customers >> > have made the decision to go for MSAS + Panorama NovaView instead of >> > Cognos PowerPlay based fast performance, very good user interface and >> > total cost. >> > >> > Please visit www.gmsbv.nl and you can see Panorama NovaView live from >> > one of our customer internet websites and see the features and >> > performance live over internet. >> > >> > Regards, Marco >> > >> > >> > "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > news:<Btadnbb8Ts5XIQzcRVn-jA@is.co.za>... >> >> I have to agree > highly >> >> inflamitory statement that PP has any advantages over AS >> >> >> >> >> >> "Elad Israeli" <EladAAA7690AAA@hotAAAmail.AAA.com> wrote in message >> >> news:eW7lCYmxEHA.1188@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... >> >> > IMHO, Cognos have absolutely no advantages over AS that are worth >> >> > mentioning from an OLAP Server standpoint. The only advantage >> >> > Cognos >> >> > have >> >> > is from a client tool standpoint. That is, many consider the Cognos >> >> > client tool more intuitive for users, but that requires you to > purchase >> >> > everything from one vendor, while AS allow you to choose from quite > an >> >> > extensive variety of client tools. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > =============================== >> >> > Remove "AAA" characters to email me. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >> > news >> >> >> Alex, >> >> >> please elobrate on the so called advantages thet PP has over AS >> >> >> >> >> >> Reg >> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. an interface does not make a better product ( if this is your >> >> >> selection criteria i dont want to be the devloper makeing cubes in >> >> >> your >> >> >> company) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "AlexD" <AlexD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:00B4DF78-25CD-44C5-A70E-F8132AFD5E07@microsoft.com... >> >> >>> We need to make a choice between using MS AS or Cognos PowerPlay. >> >> >>> PowerPlay >> >> >>> has a much better interface and some advantages. >> >> >>> Can anyone comment on this? Also, does anyone know of good >> >> >>> fron-end >> >> >>> products >> >> >>> to create MS AS cubes rather than using the Microsoft UI? >> >> >>> Thanks >> >> >>> Alex >> >> >>> alexdinu1@hotmail.com >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > |
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| Yes you can see MS AS 2000 live on internet. Please visit our website and click on the CWI logo on teh webpage Klanten (=customers) you will see Panorama NovaView on MSAS 2000. Regards, Marco www.gmsbv.nl "Kent Johnson" <08.6044303@telia.com> wrote in message news:<Ogvkd.121549$dP1.417056@newsc.telia.net>... > I'm using SQL-server and Cognos PowerPlay. > I've never seen Analysis Services in action. > Is there a demo site somewhere that shows the frontend? > /Kent J. > > > "Elad Israeli" <EladAAA7690AAA@hotAAAmail.AAA.com> wrote in message > news:OYpwQXyxEHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > Panorama NovaView does NOT have better performance over Cognos PowerPlay. > > Analysis Services HAS better performance than Cognos, but the Cognos > client > > tool is quite robust and has very good interface. > > > > -- > > =============================== > > Remove "AAA" characters to email me. > > > > > > > > "Marco Groeneveld" <olap@gmsbv.nl> wrote in message > > news:211f845f.0411100449.16720842@posting.google.c om... > > > Hi, > > > > > > We have experience with MSAS (OLAP Database) + Panorama Novaview > > > (frontend) compared with Cognos PowerPlay and one of our customers > > > have made the decision to go for MSAS + Panorama NovaView instead of > > > Cognos PowerPlay based fast performance, very good user interface and > > > total cost. > > > > > > Please visit www.gmsbv.nl and you can see Panorama NovaView live from > > > one of our customer internet websites and see the features and > > > performance live over internet. > > > > > > Regards, Marco > > > > > > > > > "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:<Btadnbb8Ts5XIQzcRVn-jA@is.co.za>... > > >> I have to agree > highly > > >> inflamitory statement that PP has any advantages over AS > > >> > > >> > > >> "Elad Israeli" <EladAAA7690AAA@hotAAAmail.AAA.com> wrote in message > > >> news:eW7lCYmxEHA.1188@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > >> > IMHO, Cognos have absolutely no advantages over AS that are worth > > >> > mentioning from an OLAP Server standpoint. The only advantage Cognos > > >> > have > > >> > is from a client tool standpoint. That is, many consider the Cognos > > >> > client tool more intuitive for users, but that requires you to > purchase > > >> > everything from one vendor, while AS allow you to choose from quite > an > > >> > extensive variety of client tools. > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > =============================== > > >> > Remove "AAA" characters to email me. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > "Reg Besseling" <regbes.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >> > news > > >> >> Alex, > > >> >> please elobrate on the so called advantages thet PP has over AS > > >> >> > > >> >> Reg > > >> >> > > >> >> P.S. an interface does not make a better product ( if this is your > > >> >> selection criteria i dont want to be the devloper makeing cubes in > > >> >> your > > >> >> company) > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> "AlexD" <AlexD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >> >> news:00B4DF78-25CD-44C5-A70E-F8132AFD5E07@microsoft.com... > > >> >>> We need to make a choice between using MS AS or Cognos PowerPlay. > > >> >>> PowerPlay > > >> >>> has a much better interface and some advantages. > > >> >>> Can anyone comment on this? Also, does anyone know of good fron-end > > >> >>> products > > >> >>> to create MS AS cubes rather than using the Microsoft UI? > > >> >>> Thanks > > >> >>> Alex > > >> >>> alexdinu1@hotmail.com > > >> >>> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > |
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| John and Alex, Could you explain the application you are looking to support? Is the issue that you want to make it easier for analysts to define their own private dimensions easily and apply those to existing cubes? Or are you looking for a tool that makes it easier for an analyst to set up a cube in the first place? If it is the former do you then expect to give your analyst the option of reprocessing the cube to incorporate their newly defined dimension? How would you control system load under such a scenario? If the point is simply that creating cubes is easy for the data warehouse designer with Cognos have you checked out SQL Server 2005 beta 2 yet? Creating cubes is close to trivial with AS 2005 (not to be confused with deciding which cubes you need to create which still requires thinking despite what the wizard may tell you), and the flexibility and performance is off the charts compared to what you would produce with Cognos. So if you are planning for the long range take a look at 2005 before deciding to go with Cognos vs. AS 2000. "John" wrote: > Hi Jéjé, > > It certainly helps me although is was not my question > > In a presentation of PowerPlay Transformer I have seen how you can create > custom dimension levels by using drag'n'drop to select the members. Do you > know if functionality like this is also available in AS? > > - John > > "Jéjé" <willgart@BBBhotmailAAA.com> wrote in message > news:%233djvZgwEHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > The power of cognos cubes and AS cubes is completly different! > > AS provide the MDX language which allow a user or developper to do > > "anything" with the cubes. > > you can create complex calculations which is not possible with cognos. > > > > second point, cognos cubes can only be viewed with cognos products ! you > > can't use any third party front end tools. For AS you can find a lot of > > tools and choose 1 or more regarding your needs and usage (at least excel > > can be used) (also, cognos can use AS cubes) > > > > from an administrator side, I prefer AS rather then Cognos. > > first because I have always the right numbers in a AS cube. with cognos > > its a knightmare to have the same total (in the database and in the cube) > > > > second: the crashes... in the past (I known cognos has work on it) if my > > PP transformer application crashed before my save, then my entire cube > > become corrupt!!!! > > > > other point: the security and the performance of the cognos cubes is poor > > and you can't know what you have to optimize in your cube. AS provide some > > statistics and help you to add aggregations to improve the performance. > > > > also, AS allow you to create new cubes based on existing dimensions (or > > virtual cubes based on existing cubes) , this reduce the time to create > > new cubes. > > For example, today you create a employee contracts cubes, tomorrow you'll > > create a nw cube for the activities, the dimension is already created and > > ready to use. and if you want to cross-analysis your 2 cubes, simply > > create a virtual cube and its all ! no space required on the disk. > > With cognos, to do the same job you have to create 3 different cubes you > > have to create 3 times the dimension and 3 cubes to process. > > > > cognos has 2 advantages: > > 1. it create MDC file, so you can send it by email to your users > > 2. the process is done if your data source is dirty. (some times its an > > advantages, but some other times its not) > > > > For example: > > imagine your contract fact table contain an employeeid "555" but this > > employeeid doesn't exist in the Employee dimension, in AS your cube will > > fail to process (or ignore the error regarding some process option choose) > > In cognos, the process simply create a new employee in the employee > > dimension, but, because there is no name associated, you 'll see only > > "555", you don't loose any values, but your dimension is now dirty. > > > > to finish AS support parent-child dimensions, custom rollup formula, cell > > level security, , actions, write back, nultiple storage mode (MOLAP, > > ROLAP, HOLAP, Real-time), dynamic formatting (changing the color of a cell > > regarding a value; example: sales <500$ in red) and a lot of OLAP formula. > > > > AS 2005 will provide new features like: > > * multiple drill through > > * new dimension management system (which provide reach end user > > experience) > > * multi-currency > > * full multilanguage > > * automatic generation of the datamart from your cube design > > * predefined cube templates > > * visual source safe support > > > > I hope this help you. > > > > "AlexD" <AlexD@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le message de news: > > 00B4DF78-25CD-44C5-A70E-F8132AFD5E07@microsoft.com... > >> We need to make a choice between using MS AS or Cognos PowerPlay. > >> PowerPlay > >> has a much better interface and some advantages. > >> Can anyone comment on this? Also, does anyone know of good fron-end > >> products > >> to create MS AS cubes rather than using the Microsoft UI? > >> Thanks > >> Alex > >> alexdinu1@hotmail.com > >> > > > > > > > |