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The Mogwai project is proud to announce the redesigned version of the
famous Mogwai ERDesigner entity relationship design tool!

Mogwai ERDesigner NG is the redesigned version of the prior Mogwai
ERDesigner. In its current development phase, it supports visual
editing and reverse engineering of the following databases : MySQL,
MSSQL, PostgreSQL , Oracle and generic JDBC. The database model is
stored as a XML file, so it can be further processed by other tools.

The new Release 1.0.1 includes some bugfixes, and is also the base for
further development like SQL DDL generation and schema version
tracking.

Feel free to visit the projects website at

http://mogwai.sourceforge.net for more details.

Take care!

Mirko Sertic
Project admin

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:36:48 -0800 (PST), Mirko Sertic
<Mirko.Sertic@web.de> wrote:

>The Mogwai project is proud

This is OFF CHARTER in comp.databases.mysql. Please do not post this
to comp.databases.mysql again. This may also be off topic in other
groups listed.
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On 18 Jan, 12:42, Gary L. Burnore <gburn...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:36:48 -0800 (PST), Mirko Sertic
>
> <Mirko.Ser...@web.de> wrote:
> >The Mogwai project is proud
>
> This is OFF CHARTER in comp.databases.mysql. Please do not post this
> to comp.databases.mysql again. This may also be off topic in other
> groups listed.
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How is this off charter?
An announcement of a tool that can be used with MySQL seems right on
to me.

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:09:11 -0800 (PST), Captain Paralytic
<paul_lautman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 18 Jan, 12:42, Gary L. Burnore <gburn...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:36:48 -0800 (PST), Mirko Sertic
>>
>> <Mirko.Ser...@web.de> wrote:
>> >The Mogwai project is proud
>>
>> This is OFF CHARTER in comp.databases.mysql. Please do not post this
>> to comp.databases.mysql again. This may also be off topic in other
>> groups listed.

>
>How is this off charter?

It's an advertisement.

>An announcement of a tool that can be used with MySQL seems right on
>to me.

I wrote the charter. I believe I'd know.



For your newsgroups file:
comp.databases.mysql MySQL RDBMS technical discussions.

This newsgroup comp.databases.mysql is a forum for technical
discussion of the MySQL relational database management system. All
topics that pertain to using, learning, developing, maintaining or
improving MySQL are on-topic in this newsgroup.

Posting of advertising and/or promotional material of any kind to
comp.databases.mysql is explicitly prohibited. Posting of binaries is
not permitted, with the exception of small binary components in
otherwise non-binary postings, such as PGP signatures or X-Face
headers. Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and
similarly formatted messages are prohibited.


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On 18 Jan, 13:31, Gary L. Burnore <gburn...@databasix.com> wrote:

"All topics that pertain to using, learning, developing, maintaining
or
improving MySQL are on-topic in this newsgroup."

As far as I can see this is an open source free utility which is
intended to assist in developing with and maintaining MySQL
applications. He is not trying to sell anything which is what
advertising is generally taken to be used for.

I say again, seems right on topic to me.

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:48:11 -0800 (PST), Captain Paralytic
<paul_lautman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 18 Jan, 13:31, Gary L. Burnore <gburn...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
>"All topics that pertain to using, learning, developing, maintaining
>or
>improving MySQL are on-topic in this newsgroup."
>
>As far as I can see this is an open source free utility which is
>intended to assist in developing with and maintaining MySQL
>applications. He is not trying to sell anything which is what
>advertising is generally taken to be used for.


So if it were for a free blowjob for anyone programming in mysql,
under your interpretation, it'd be ok since it's free?


>I say again, seems right on topic to me.

Because you ignored this:

Posting of advertising and/or promotional material of any kind to
comp.databases.mysql is explicitly prohibited.

It followed that which you quoted above. Meaning, of course, it
further refined the first statement. The charter was carefully
crafted and discussed before the group was created. People here know
how to go to sourceforge on their own and find things that are of
meaning to them. They don't need it promoted in this technical forum.
You want adverts? Create an alt group.


In a nutshell, it was promotional material. It was off charter. Whine
away, it'll do you no good. It was off charter. Period.

Oh, and btw, your stupid newsreader is putting spaces between the news
groups in the Newsgroups line in violation of RFC. (Just so you know.
That's obviously not off charter.
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On 18 Jan, 14:00, Gary L. Burnore <gburn...@databasix.com> wrote:
> Oh, and btw, your stupid newsreader is putting spaces between the news
> groups in the Newsgroups line in violation of RFC. (Just so you know.
> That's obviously not off charter.

Depending on where I am, I have to use Google Groups. I don't own
Google Groups, Google do. So maybe you'd be better of telling them
that their newsreader software is stupid and in violation of RFC.


> Whine away, it'll do you no good.

I thought it was you who was whining about it being off charter. Since
it has been posted and similar things to this will almost certainly be
posted again, I suspect it is actually your whining that will do no
good.

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:11:28 -0800 (PST), Captain Paralytic
<paul_lautman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 18 Jan, 14:00, Gary L. Burnore <gburn...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> Oh, and btw, your stupid newsreader is putting spaces between the news
>> groups in the Newsgroups line in violation of RFC. (Just so you know.
>> That's obviously not off charter.
>
>Depending on where I am, I have to use Google Groups. I don't own
>Google Groups, Google do. So maybe you'd be better of telling them
>that their newsreader software is stupid and in violation of RFC.

Yeah. Several NSP's are working on that. Google ain't all that bright.
From your other posts, it appears that you know what you're doing and
I figured you'd want to know.

>> Whine away, it'll do you no good.
>
>I thought it was you who was whining about it being off charter.

Nope. If it were a whine, it wouldn't have been here. I'd have simply
forwarded his post, with headers, to his provider. Seems to me it was
better to let him know now once, that his post wasn't on charter than
to just get him in trouble without explaining why.

MOST NSP's act on valid charter complaints. This isn't alt.* It's not
anything goes. It's chartered for a reason. It's ok if you don't
like the reason, but the charter is still there and enforceable. If
you wanted the charter to be different, you should have spoken up back
when it was being crafted and discussed. You should have been part of
the creation process.

If you want, you can propose changes to the charter to allow such
posts. I can give you info on how to create such a proposal if you
don't already know how. Just remember that once you let the flood
start, you'll never stop it.

>Since it has been posted and similar things to this will almost certainly be
>posted again, I suspect it is actually your whining that will do no
>good.


Based on that argument, people speed. They've done it before and
they'll do it again so there's no sense having laws to stop it and no
sense writing tickets to enforce the laws.

I happen to believe otherwise. Feel free to get in a last word on the
issue if you want, but I've got the charter on MY side. Your "well
others did it so others can too" won't help if they lose an account
over it.
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:34:20 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

>Ed Murphy wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>
>>> Captain Paralytic wrote:
>>
>>>> How is this off charter?
>>>> An announcement of a tool that can be used with MySQL seems right on
>>>> to me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well within the bounds of this newsgroup's charter.
>>
>> Which one(s) are you referring to? This thread was crossposted to four;
>> Gary has only been discussing comp.databases.mysql's charter.
>>
>
>I'm referring to comp.databases.mysql. It is perfectly within the
>bounds of the charter to announce free tools applicable to MySQL.

Once again, stuckie. You're wrong. Once again, Jerry, _I_ wrote the
charter. Was and am the proponant who got the newsgroup created. The
charter expressly prohibits such posts so you, once again, are LYING.


>
>Last time I looked at comp.databases, it would have been considered
>on-topic there, also. But that's been a while, and might have changed.
>
>I don't frequent the other newsgroups, so don't know.

You frequent alt.www.webmasters where you call posts that disagree
with your point of view SPAM, Jerry Stuckle. Stop lying.
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:58:15 -0800, Percival John Hackworth
<pjh@mps.com> wrote:

>In article <fmrob3$jka$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
> Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:12:22 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
>> <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Captain Paralytic wrote:
>> >> On 18 Jan, 12:42, Gary L. Burnore <gburn...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:36:48 -0800 (PST), Mirko Sertic
>> >>>
>> >>> <Mirko.Ser...@web.de> wrote:
>> >>>> The Mogwai project is proud
>> >>> This is OFF CHARTER in comp.databases.mysql. Please do not post this
>> >>> to comp.databases.mysql again. This may also be off topic in other
>> >>> groups listed.
>> >>> --
>>
>> >>
>> >> How is this off charter?
>> >> An announcement of a tool that can be used with MySQL seems right on
>> >> to me.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Well within the bounds of this newsgroup's charter.
>>
>> No, Jerry, it's not. It's rather laughable that you, someone who
>> calls ANY post you don't like in an alt.* group spam would say that an
>> advertisment of any kind is allowed in comp.databases.mysql where the
>> charter expressly prohibits it.
>>
>>
>> Again, from the charter:
>>
>> Posting of advertising and/or promotional material of any kind to
>> comp.databases.mysql is explicitly prohibited.
>>
>> Explain your way around that one, Jerry.
>
>Well, he can explain all he wants. I reported his post with full
>headers to his ISP (bedag.ch) and asked Sourceforge to ban him for his
>spamming activities.
>
>Next, it's the Men in Black's job to "recycle" him...

It would appear that's what Captan paralytic and Jerry stuckle want
done in comp.databases.mysql. They don't want a friendly reminder
given to the very few who post off charter, they want them TOSd.

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