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Have been using MySQL on an infrequent basis, mostly on web databases.

Now the MySQL site is pushing both products.
Both now support stored procedures and triggers.

So exactly what are the major differences between MySQL and MaxDB? I have
not seen a "which version is right for you" document or web site. The MaxDB
site link
http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/maxdb/7.6.00.html
does not seem to say much. I find only the defining term "enterprise"
proferred.

How do they compare?

TIA

~ Duane Phillips.

In article <UtWdnbxdQZRPzv_eRVn-3A@giganews.com>,
"Duane Phillips" <askme@askme.askme> wrote:

> Have been using MySQL on an infrequent basis, mostly on web databases.
>
> Now the MySQL site is pushing both products.
> Both now support stored procedures and triggers.
>
> So exactly what are the major differences between MySQL and MaxDB? I have
> not seen a "which version is right for you" document or web site. The MaxDB
> site link
> http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/maxdb/7.6.00.html
> does not seem to say much. I find only the defining term "enterprise"
> proferred.
>
> How do they compare?
>
> TIA
>
> ~ Duane Phillips.

Well, as a thought, unless you stage your own system or colocate, I've
yet to see a web site using MaxDB. Most of the sites that offer web
hosting services with open software have MySQL, apache, php, and perl.
Is there a perl DBI for MaxDB yet?

Unless you like the bleeding edge, I'd stay with what's generally
available if you're staging a web application. If it's for an intranet,
you can do what you like.

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MaxDB is a re-branded and enhanced version of SAP DB. It started with a
partnership in 2003 where MaxDB became a direct advancement of the SAP
DB 7.4 code base. MaxDB is more like a traditional Oracle database
product considering SAP and Oracle compete for the same business market.

From the website:
-----------------
MaxDB is a heavy-duty, SAP-certified open source database for OLTP and
OLAP usage which offers high reliability, availability, scalability and
a very comprehensive feature set. It is targetted for large mySAP
Business Suite environments and other applications that require maximum
enterprise-level database functionality and complements the MySQL
database server.

Today, about 6,000 customer installations are using MaxDB technology
globally, including Toyota, Intel, DaimlerChrysler, Braun-Gillette,
Bayer, Colgate, Yamaha, and Deutsche Post (the German Post Office).
Benefits

* Reduced cost of your SAP implementation
* Easy configuration and low administration
* Elaborate backup and restore capabilities
* Continuous operation, no scheduled downtimes required
* Designed for large number of users and high workloads
* Scales to database sizes in the terabytes
* High availability through cluster and hot-standby support
* Synchronization Manager to control enterprise-wide data replication
* Easy-to-use graphical database tools
* Available for all enterprise HW/OS platforms
* Supports all major SAP solutions

High performance, availability, operational reliability, scalability,
ease of use, and low total cost of ownership are just a few of the
demands that enterprise environments place on a DBMS infrastructure.
MaxDB helps you meet these demands. It is a powerful, state-of-the-art
DBMS built for enterprise usage scenarios.
-----------

If you want to see the entire list of what it can do checkout the
whitepaper: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/maxdb/pdf/whitepaper.pdf


Michael Vilain wrote:
> In article <UtWdnbxdQZRPzv_eRVn-3A@giganews.com>,
> "Duane Phillips" <askme@askme.askme> wrote:
>
>>Have been using MySQL on an infrequent basis, mostly on web databases.
>>
>>Now the MySQL site is pushing both products.
>>Both now support stored procedures and triggers.
>>
>>So exactly what are the major differences between MySQL and MaxDB?
>>
>>How do they compare?
>
> Well, as a thought, unless you stage your own system or colocate, I've
> yet to see a web site using MaxDB. Most of the sites that offer web
> hosting services with open software have MySQL, apache, php, and perl.
> Is there a perl DBI for MaxDB yet?

In article <dju3p9$61b$1@news.cis.ohio-state.edu>,
Kirk Kimmel <kkimmelosu@yahoo.com> wrote:

> MaxDB is a re-branded and enhanced version of SAP DB. It started with a
> partnership in 2003 where MaxDB became a direct advancement of the SAP
> DB 7.4 code base. MaxDB is more like a traditional Oracle database
> product considering SAP and Oracle compete for the same business market.
>
> From the website:
> -----------------
> MaxDB is a heavy-duty, SAP-certified open source database for OLTP and
> OLAP usage which offers high reliability, availability, scalability and
> a very comprehensive feature set. It is targetted for large mySAP
> Business Suite environments and other applications that require maximum
> enterprise-level database functionality and complements the MySQL
> database server.
>
> Today, about 6,000 customer installations are using MaxDB technology
> globally, including Toyota, Intel, DaimlerChrysler, Braun-Gillette,
> Bayer, Colgate, Yamaha, and Deutsche Post (the German Post Office).
> Benefits
>
> * Reduced cost of your SAP implementation
> * Easy configuration and low administration
> * Elaborate backup and restore capabilities
> * Continuous operation, no scheduled downtimes required
> * Designed for large number of users and high workloads
> * Scales to database sizes in the terabytes
> * High availability through cluster and hot-standby support
> * Synchronization Manager to control enterprise-wide data replication
> * Easy-to-use graphical database tools
> * Available for all enterprise HW/OS platforms
> * Supports all major SAP solutions
>
> High performance, availability, operational reliability, scalability,
> ease of use, and low total cost of ownership are just a few of the
> demands that enterprise environments place on a DBMS infrastructure.
> MaxDB helps you meet these demands. It is a powerful, state-of-the-art
> DBMS built for enterprise usage scenarios.
> -----------
>
> If you want to see the entire list of what it can do checkout the
> whitepaper: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/maxdb/pdf/whitepaper.pdf
>
>
> Michael Vilain wrote:
> > In article <UtWdnbxdQZRPzv_eRVn-3A@giganews.com>,
> > "Duane Phillips" <askme@askme.askme> wrote:
> >
> >>Have been using MySQL on an infrequent basis, mostly on web databases.
> >>
> >>Now the MySQL site is pushing both products.
> >>Both now support stored procedures and triggers.
> >>
> >>So exactly what are the major differences between MySQL and MaxDB?
> >>
> >>How do they compare?
> >
> > Well, as a thought, unless you stage your own system or colocate, I've
> > yet to see a web site using MaxDB. Most of the sites that offer web
> > hosting services with open software have MySQL, apache, php, and perl.
> > Is there a perl DBI for MaxDB yet?

Sounds great, like a _real_ transaction-based database without having to
pay the Oracle tax. However, you still haven't answered my question:

What web-hosting services are offering MaxDB as part of their service
matrix? AFAIK, most still offer MySQL. So, even if it's not bleeding
edge, it sounds like the this is more for the large traffic e-commerce
sites or in intranet as you sited above.

Now there's a solution for sites to "grow into". That's great. I hope
Larry looses a lot of sleep over this!

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Michael Vilain (vilain@spamcop.net) wrote:
: In article <dju3p9$61b$1@news.cis.ohio-state.edu>,
: Kirk Kimmel <kkimmelosu@yahoo.com> wrote:

: > MaxDB is a re-branded and enhanced version of SAP DB. It started with a

: Sounds great, like a _real_ transaction-based database without having to
: pay the Oracle tax. However, you still haven't answered my question:

: What web-hosting services are offering MaxDB as part of their service
: matrix?

I doubt that any are offering it as a service. I am thinking that as part
of your purchase of MaxDB/SAP you would go shopping for a provider that
was willing and able to host your installation (or just as likely, host it
yourself).

There are hosting companies that do that sort of thing, but the service is
not for any one product by name, but simply for anything that needs
hosting if you fee a suitable fee.

Or look for a company that specializes in MaxDB, they would likely host it
for their customers as an option (at least other products often work that
way).

$0.10

--

This programmer available for rent.

Duane Phillips <askme@askme.askme> wrote:
> Have been using MySQL on an infrequent basis, mostly on web databases.
>
> Now the MySQL site is pushing both products.
> Both now support stored procedures and triggers.
>
> So exactly what are the major differences between MySQL and MaxDB? I have
> not seen a "which version is right for you" document or web site. The MaxDB
> site link
> http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/maxdb/7.6.00.html
> does not seem to say much. I find only the defining term "enterprise"
> proferred.
>
> How do they compare?

They do not compare at all, except that both are open source relational
databases.

MaxDB is, as mentioned, the open source release of a database software
written by SAP.

An attempt at a comparison:

- MaxDB has more features than MySQL.

- MaxDB documentation is bad, bordering on unusable.

- MaxDB is difficult to handle.

- I have not heard of a single MaxDB reference installation that is not an
SAP system. It yould be nice to have some such references.

- MaxDB is slow.

Personal highlight from my conversations with a MaxDB database:

sqlcli> delete from parent
Statement too complicated.

Yours,
Laurenz Albe

Replying to all previous posts:

I've read all the pitch and hype, but can find no reason why MySQL would
pitch BOTH products. Both claim to be able to handle large enterprise
projects.

Are we to understand that the MySQL version line to be a lower class DBMS
than MaxDB? If so, then why?

I am looking at using one or the other in a very large data project (over a
TB + of data) that is locally hosted that will likely have local and remote
interfaces serving a variety of purposes. This however, had nothing to do
with the original question.

The "box" and "provider" were both not part of the original question, nor
the product history. I can find plenty of information on all of that. What
I have not found is the question of the _differences_ between the two
products.

Especially interesting to me is the statement on the MySQL web site that
"[MaxDB] ... complements the MySQL database server."

This only further muddied the waters for me.

Anyone?

TIA.

~ Duane Phillips.

"Malcolm Dew-Jones" <yf110@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
news:4362ba47$1@news.victoria.tc.ca...
> Michael Vilain (vilain@spamcop.net) wrote:
> : In article <dju3p9$61b$1@news.cis.ohio-state.edu>,
> : Kirk Kimmel <kkimmelosu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> : > MaxDB is a re-branded and enhanced version of SAP DB. It started with
> a
>
> : Sounds great, like a _real_ transaction-based database without having to
> : pay the Oracle tax. However, you still haven't answered my question:
>
> : What web-hosting services are offering MaxDB as part of their service
> : matrix?
>
> I doubt that any are offering it as a service. I am thinking that as part
> of your purchase of MaxDB/SAP you would go shopping for a provider that
> was willing and able to host your installation (or just as likely, host it
> yourself).
>
> There are hosting companies that do that sort of thing, but the service is
> not for any one product by name, but simply for anything that needs
> hosting if you fee a suitable fee.
>
> Or look for a company that specializes in MaxDB, they would likely host it
> for their customers as an option (at least other products often work that
> way).
>
> $0.10
>
> --
>
> This programmer available for rent.

I installed the new GA Release of MySQL 5 and found a help file with more
information... still clear as mud.

Help file title: "1.5.5. Feature Differences Between MaxDB and MySQL"

They are clearly touting MaxDB for "terrabytes" sized client/server
arrangements.

For MySQL they state that some users are up to 5 TB.

However, I still cannot find speed and/or performance comparison data, and
only limited application suggestions. MaxDB does have event based handling
and notifications.

Still bothersome, however, is the statement on the MySQL web site that
"[MaxDB] ... complements the MySQL database server."

They put that in the help file. The MySQL 5 help file spends a whole
chapter talking about MaxDB.

I tried to find the interoperability... no joy. So far as I can tell,
interoperability is defined as, "export your data and/or structure from
either one into text file(s) and then import into the other". How exactly is
that defined as "compliments"?

Need More Data...

~ Duane Phillips.

"Duane Phillips" <askme@askme.askme> wrote in message
news:f5CdnaKEXrDvbvXeRVn-sg@giganews.com...
> Replying to all previous posts:
>
> I've read all the pitch and hype, but can find no reason why MySQL would
> pitch BOTH products. Both claim to be able to handle large enterprise
> projects.
>
> Are we to understand that the MySQL version line to be a lower class DBMS
> than MaxDB? If so, then why?
>
> I am looking at using one or the other in a very large data project (over
> a
> TB + of data) that is locally hosted that will likely have local and
> remote
> interfaces serving a variety of purposes. This however, had nothing to do
> with the original question.
>
> The "box" and "provider" were both not part of the original question, nor
> the product history. I can find plenty of information on all of that.
> What
> I have not found is the question of the _differences_ between the two
> products.
>
> Especially interesting to me is the statement on the MySQL web site that
> "[MaxDB] ... complements the MySQL database server."
>
> This only further muddied the waters for me.
>
> Anyone?
>
> TIA.
>
> ~ Duane Phillips.
>
> "Malcolm Dew-Jones" <yf110@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> news:4362ba47$1@news.victoria.tc.ca...
>> Michael Vilain (vilain@spamcop.net) wrote:
>> : In article <dju3p9$61b$1@news.cis.ohio-state.edu>,
>> : Kirk Kimmel <kkimmelosu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> : > MaxDB is a re-branded and enhanced version of SAP DB. It started with
>> a
>>
>> : Sounds great, like a _real_ transaction-based database without having
>> to
>> : pay the Oracle tax. However, you still haven't answered my question:
>>
>> : What web-hosting services are offering MaxDB as part of their service
>> : matrix?
>>
>> I doubt that any are offering it as a service. I am thinking that as
>> part
>> of your purchase of MaxDB/SAP you would go shopping for a provider that
>> was willing and able to host your installation (or just as likely, host
>> it
>> yourself).
>>
>> There are hosting companies that do that sort of thing, but the service
>> is
>> not for any one product by name, but simply for anything that needs
>> hosting if you fee a suitable fee.
>>
>> Or look for a company that specializes in MaxDB, they would likely host
>> it
>> for their customers as an option (at least other products often work that
>> way).
>>
>> $0.10
>>
>> --
>>
>> This programmer available for rent.
>
>
>