Stefano Perna schrieb:
> I'm sorry: Joachim Durchholz has been far more elegant then I was. This
> is another thing I have to learn, besides SQL

Thanks.
Dealing with rudeness comes with practice.
Though it's certainly not the kind of skill that's a pleasure to learn.

Regards,
Jo

On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:50:56 +0200, Stefano Perna <ajajajajai@tin.it>
wrote:

>no: because the world is incredibly VARIOUS! You're talking about a nazi
>or taleban hortodoxy I really don't like!

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On Fri, 11 May 2007 14:01:16 +0200, Joachim Durchholz
<jo@durchholz.org> wrote:

>Thanks.
>Dealing with rudeness comes with practice.
>Though it's certainly not the kind of skill that's a pleasure to learn.
>
>Regards,
>Jo

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Stefano Perna wrote:
>
>>
>> Not at all. I'm not advertising my services to you or anyone else
>> here. Just pointing out that I have the experience to back up what
>> I'm saying.
>
>
>
>
> experience is YOUR experience: another 20-years-etc. team leader can
> have a total different point of view
>
>

None that I know. And I've met a lot of them over the years.

>
>
>>> "Those who succeed": again, we're on MTV, doing advertising. :-)
>>>
>>
>> Nope, it's called REALITY. Successful team leaders expect their team
>> members to be able to do the work assigned. They understand a certain
>> amount of learning is going to be involved with a new technology. But
>> they expect the team member to learn it, also.
>
>
>
> REALITY has many faces!
>
>

Yep, but keeping a job means being able to do the work - unless you
married the owners son/daughter.

>
>> It works both ways. Anyone asking a question in a technical newsgroup
>> should have at least tried to solve the problem him/herself, and post
>> the code they are having trouble with.
>>
>> But you didn't do that, did you?
>
>
>
> I tried: I simply was not able to reach the solution alone. It was my
> first SQL week and I know/manage the main CRUD statements
>
>

And what exactly did you try? You've not shown that you tried ANYTHING.
Such basic statements would have been very clear in any decent SQL
book, for instance. Or even a lousy one.

>
>> People who live in glass houses should not throw stones!
>
>
>
> right
>
>
>
>>> usenet is not a place where emules of Doctor Codd brilliantly talk
>>> about the things they like
>>
>> And why not? Because *YOU* don't wish it to happen?
>
>
>
> no: because the world is incredibly VARIOUS! You're talking about a nazi
> or taleban hortodoxy I really don't like!
>
>

Then why are you try to "qualify" those who can and cannot answer your
questions?

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Jerry Stuckle ha scritto:


> None that I know. And I've met a lot of them over the years.



to meet/know someone is not a guarantee (the fact that you say to be a
team leader is not a guarantee itself): you know some of your collegues,
not every team leader in the world. Most of all, you don't know if they
all think the world as you do: we're always at the same point. Another
strange thing is a world where the database "expert" is the team leader.
I wonder why: in my little world this has never been so



>> REALITY has many faces!
>>
>>
>
> Yep, but keeping a job means being able to do the work - unless you
> married the owners son/daughter.



I don't have to keep anything related to SQL, so I don't care: I don't
really understand why you and PL care



> And what exactly did you try?



"exactly" I tried to write some even more basic queries and solved the
first time the whole thing by using PHP. Then, I imagined there could be
a less redundant way to get the same result. Since I did not know where
to start (that is I searched and googled but I was not able to find a
tutorial or something basic to follow), I simply asked here



> You've not shown that you tried ANYTHING.



you've not shown to be able to read carefully what I wrote

Stefano Perna wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle ha scritto:
>
>
>> None that I know. And I've met a lot of them over the years.
>
>
>
> to meet/know someone is not a guarantee (the fact that you say to be a
> team leader is not a guarantee itself): you know some of your collegues,
> not every team leader in the world. Most of all, you don't know if they
> all think the world as you do: we're always at the same point. Another
> strange thing is a world where the database "expert" is the team leader.
> I wonder why: in my little world this has never been so
>

In my position I know what they do. We talk.

And no, I don't know all of the team leaders in the world. But I do
know what is found in successful ones - and not in unsuccessful ones.

>
>
>>> REALITY has many faces!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yep, but keeping a job means being able to do the work - unless you
>> married the owners son/daughter.
>
>
>
> I don't have to keep anything related to SQL, so I don't care: I don't
> really understand why you and PL care
>

You're asking us to do your work for you. Are you going to send us your
paycheck?

>
>
>> And what exactly did you try?
>
>
>
> "exactly" I tried to write some even more basic queries and solved the
> first time the whole thing by using PHP. Then, I imagined there could be
> a less redundant way to get the same result. Since I did not know where
> to start (that is I searched and googled but I was not able to find a
> tutorial or something basic to follow), I simply asked here
>
>

I've done SQL classes. The basic queries here would have been covered
by the middle of the afternoon on the first day - of a five day course.

That right there tells me you didn't try very hard.

>
>> You've not shown that you tried ANYTHING.
>
>
>
> you've not shown to be able to read carefully what I wrote

Oh, I can read. Quite well, as a matter of fact. And I can tell you
expect usenet members to be doing your work for you.

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Jerry Stuckle:

> In my position I know what they do. We talk.
>
> And no, I don't know all of the team leaders in the world. But I do
> know what is found in successful ones - and not in unsuccessful ones.





"In my position" is definitely advertising stuff





> You're asking us to do your work for you. Are you going to send us your
> paycheck?





no, because I was NOT working: that's why I say you can't read





> I've done SQL classes. The basic queries here would have been covered
> by the middle of the afternoon on the first day - of a five day course.





sure. But my team leader says it is better to learn by doing. Most of
all, as I specified, my main job is not SQL-related, so I have not five
days free




> That right there tells me you didn't try very hard.




....




> Oh, I can read. Quite well, as a matter of fact. And I can tell you
> expect usenet members to be doing your work for you.




I expect usenet members to be able to read and understand, while you are
taking your precious team leader time to emulate Codd, say who you are
(or you would like to be), try to teach me how the world should be and
ask for paychecks

Stefano Perna wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle:
>
>> In my position I know what they do. We talk.
>>
>> And no, I don't know all of the team leaders in the world. But I do
>> know what is found in successful ones - and not in unsuccessful ones.
>
>
>
>
>
> "In my position" is definitely advertising stuff
>
>
>

ROFLMAO! Exactly where am I advertising anything? What specific
services did I offer? What's my phone number? How do you get a hold of
me? (the email at the end of this message is NOT the one I use for
business).

You don't understand English very well, do you? Either that or you have
a huge chip on your shoulder.



>
>
>> You're asking us to do your work for you. Are you going to send us
>> your paycheck?
>
>
>
>
>
> no, because I was NOT working: that's why I say you can't read
>
>
>

What - can't you even remember what you said?

"Hi, and thanks for your reply. I generally work with client-side
technologies and middleware and the team leader perfectly knows it (!),
this time has been made an exception."


>
>
>> I've done SQL classes. The basic queries here would have been covered
>> by the middle of the afternoon on the first day - of a five day course.
>
>
>
>
>
> sure. But my team leader says it is better to learn by doing. Most of
> all, as I specified, my main job is not SQL-related, so I have not five
> days free
>

Yep, by DOING - no asking someone else do do it for you!

And I didn't way you had to take a five day course. All I said that
this was in the first few hours of the course - IOW, very basic. But
then you've already shown you aren't very smart.

>
>
>
>> That right there tells me you didn't try very hard.
>
>
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>> Oh, I can read. Quite well, as a matter of fact. And I can tell you
>> expect usenet members to be doing your work for you.
>
>
>
>
> I expect usenet members to be able to read and understand, while you are
> taking your precious team leader time to emulate Codd, say who you are
> (or you would like to be), try to teach me how the world should be and
> ask for paychecks

Then you should take your own advice. Learn to read and understand.

And I'm not emulating Codd at all. And I'm not telling you how the
world "should be". I'm telling you how it IS.

People who don't produce don't remain employed (unless they work for the
government). And team leaders who keep people who aren't producing
don't remain team leaders for long.

You expect your paycheck. In return, businesses expect results. If
we're going to provide those results for you, you should be sending us
your paycheck.


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>Jerry Stuckle



Jerry, why don't we stop here? I'm really tired and so you will be. Ok?