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There are not many jobs for regular full-time MySQL developers, or
DBAs. Those duties are usually picked up by PHP devs, or Linux admins.

But, what about consulting? I have heard there is a market for for
MySQL consultants who know fairly high-level stuff, like replicating,
and scaling.

What sort of qualifications would an employer want for that sort of
consulting? Are certs important?

Lots of offshore companies do that sort of consulting, dirt cheap. Do
USA companies have a chance?

On Apr 22, 1:09 pm, walterbyrd <walterb...@iname.com> wrote:
> There are not many jobs for regular full-time MySQL developers, or
> DBAs. Those duties are usually picked up by PHP devs, or Linux admins.
>
> But, what about consulting? I have heard there is a market for for
> MySQL consultants who know fairly high-level stuff, like replicating,
> and scaling.


I suggest registering on www.guru.com and/or www.dice.com. There are
probably other websites as well. You might even consider setting up
your own website, and buying some Google keyword advertising.

If you're going to go the consulting route, don't look at it as
"alternate employment." Look at it as a business. That includes
everything that businesses have to deal with: dry spells, slow and no
payers, bookkeeping, tax deductions, quarterly tax payments, etc.

I remember some advice for consultants working for a big company:
don't offer a discount for on-time payments. They'll pay you late and
take the discount anyway.

Good luck! :-)

ThanksButNo wrote:
> On Apr 22, 1:09 pm, walterbyrd <walterb...@iname.com> wrote:
>> There are not many jobs for regular full-time MySQL developers, or
>> DBAs. Those duties are usually picked up by PHP devs, or Linux admins.
>>
>> But, what about consulting? I have heard there is a market for for
>> MySQL consultants who know fairly high-level stuff, like replicating,
>> and scaling.
>
>
> I suggest registering on www.guru.com and/or www.dice.com. There are
> probably other websites as well. You might even consider setting up
> your own website, and buying some Google keyword advertising.
>
> If you're going to go the consulting route, don't look at it as
> "alternate employment." Look at it as a business. That includes
> everything that businesses have to deal with: dry spells, slow and no
> payers, bookkeeping, tax deductions, quarterly tax payments, etc.
>
> I remember some advice for consultants working for a big company:
> don't offer a discount for on-time payments. They'll pay you late and
> take the discount anyway.
>
> Good luck! :-)

And depending on whether you are direct or use a "consulting firm" (head
hunter) you will need to consider that some companies only pay on NET 30
or one very large company I worked with does NET 45 - regardless of the
contract. Hope you can wait 30-45 days to get paid.

walterbyrd a écrit :
> There are not many jobs for regular full-time MySQL developers, or
> DBAs. Those duties are usually picked up by PHP devs, or Linux admins.
>
> But, what about consulting? I have heard there is a market for for
> MySQL consultants who know fairly high-level stuff, like replicating,
> and scaling.
>
> What sort of qualifications would an employer want for that sort of
> consulting? Are certs important?
>
> Lots of offshore companies do that sort of consulting, dirt cheap. Do
> USA companies have a chance?
============================================
Hello !!

To become a MySQL Consultant, you DO PASS some certifications about
MySQL. These exams (DEV-1 and DEV-2 or DBA-1 and DBA-2) are necessary,
but a very good experience is necessary too.

So, if you want to take scalability, availability, clustering and
replication solutions with MySQL, you DO PASS another certification
"Cluster Administrator".

I think that's a very god opportunity, but some high level courses,
personal work and experience make you a good Consultant in MySQL
technologies.

In some countries, like France, Canada, Quebec,Germany,Ireland, England,
Italy, Spain, well the CEE, MySQL is present in industries, banks,
insurances, administration, nuclear, etc ...

It's an evidence that Oracle and Microsoft take a very large market, but
some BDD like MySQL and PostGreSQL are good ... and no expensive.

There is a lot of work ....

So believe, think and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!

Regards
Forum

Yaël Chéenne wrote:
> walterbyrd a écrit :
>> There are not many jobs for regular full-time MySQL developers, or
>> DBAs. Those duties are usually picked up by PHP devs, or Linux admins.
>>
>> But, what about consulting? I have heard there is a market for for
>> MySQL consultants who know fairly high-level stuff, like replicating,
>> and scaling.
>>
>> What sort of qualifications would an employer want for that sort of
>> consulting? Are certs important?
>>
>> Lots of offshore companies do that sort of consulting, dirt cheap. Do
>> USA companies have a chance?
> ============================================
> Hello !!
>
> To become a MySQL Consultant, you DO PASS some certifications about
> MySQL. These exams (DEV-1 and DEV-2 or DBA-1 and DBA-2) are necessary,
> but a very good experience is necessary too.
>
> So, if you want to take scalability, availability, clustering and
> replication solutions with MySQL, you DO PASS another certification
> "Cluster Administrator".
>
> I think that's a very god opportunity, but some high level courses,
> personal work and experience make you a good Consultant in MySQL
> technologies.
>
> In some countries, like France, Canada, Quebec,Germany,Ireland, England,
> Italy, Spain, well the CEE, MySQL is present in industries, banks,
> insurances, administration, nuclear, etc ...
>
> It's an evidence that Oracle and Microsoft take a very large market, but
> some BDD like MySQL and PostGreSQL are good ... and no expensive.
>
> There is a lot of work ....
>
> So believe, think and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!
>
> Regards
> Forum
>

There is no requirement to pass any exams to be a consultant for MySQL
(or any other product). In fact, I've found that as a consultant, very
few prospective clients care about certifications. Experience is what
counts.

Prospective employers ask about certifications more - but not that many.

Knowledgeable employers know certifications do not necessarily show any
real-world knowledge - only the ability to pass a test. Experience
without certification almost always wins over certification without
experience (except by clueless potential clients/employers).

That's not to say certification isn't helpful. Adding certification to
experience can give you a slight edge.

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Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
> Yaël Chéenne wrote:
>> walterbyrd a écrit :
>>> There are not many jobs for regular full-time MySQL developers, or
>>> DBAs. Those duties are usually picked up by PHP devs, or Linux admins.
>>>
>>> But, what about consulting? I have heard there is a market for for
>>> MySQL consultants who know fairly high-level stuff, like replicating,
>>> and scaling.
>>>
>>> What sort of qualifications would an employer want for that sort of
>>> consulting? Are certs important?
>>>
>>> Lots of offshore companies do that sort of consulting, dirt cheap. Do
>>> USA companies have a chance?
>> ============================================
>> Hello !!
>>
>> To become a MySQL Consultant, you DO PASS some certifications about
>> MySQL. These exams (DEV-1 and DEV-2 or DBA-1 and DBA-2) are necessary,
>> but a very good experience is necessary too.
>>
>> So, if you want to take scalability, availability, clustering and
>> replication solutions with MySQL, you DO PASS another certification
>> "Cluster Administrator".
>>
>> I think that's a very god opportunity, but some high level courses,
>> personal work and experience make you a good Consultant in MySQL
>> technologies.
>>
>> In some countries, like France, Canada, Quebec,Germany,Ireland,
>> England, Italy, Spain, well the CEE, MySQL is present in industries,
>> banks, insurances, administration, nuclear, etc ...
>>
>> It's an evidence that Oracle and Microsoft take a very large market,
>> but some BDD like MySQL and PostGreSQL are good ... and no expensive.
>>
>> There is a lot of work ....
>>
>> So believe, think and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!
>>
>> Regards
>> Forum
>>
>
> There is no requirement to pass any exams to be a consultant for MySQL
> (or any other product). In fact, I've found that as a consultant, very
> few prospective clients care about certifications. Experience is what
> counts.
>
> Prospective employers ask about certifications more - but not that many.
>
> Knowledgeable employers know certifications do not necessarily show any
> real-world knowledge - only the ability to pass a test. Experience
> without certification almost always wins over certification without
> experience (except by clueless potential clients/employers).
>
> That's not to say certification isn't helpful. Adding certification to
> experience can give you a slight edge.
>
================================================== ===
Hello,

I think so, but if a consultant (freelance) want to be a MySQL partner,
it's necessary for him to pass these certifications.

And become a partner open several clients doors ...
But, certifications don't replace experience.

There are consultants and consultants ...

Regards
Forum

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Yaël Chéenne wrote:
>> walterbyrd a écrit :
>>> There are not many jobs for regular full-time MySQL developers, or
>>> DBAs. Those duties are usually picked up by PHP devs, or Linux admins.
>>>
>>> But, what about consulting? I have heard there is a market for for
>>> MySQL consultants who know fairly high-level stuff, like replicating,
>>> and scaling.
>>>
>>> What sort of qualifications would an employer want for that sort of
>>> consulting? Are certs important?
>>>
>>> Lots of offshore companies do that sort of consulting, dirt cheap. Do
>>> USA companies have a chance?
>> ============================================
>> Hello !!
>>
>> To become a MySQL Consultant, you DO PASS some certifications about
>> MySQL. These exams (DEV-1 and DEV-2 or DBA-1 and DBA-2) are necessary,
>> but a very good experience is necessary too.
>>
>> So, if you want to take scalability, availability, clustering and
>> replication solutions with MySQL, you DO PASS another certification
>> "Cluster Administrator".
>>
>> I think that's a very god opportunity, but some high level courses,
>> personal work and experience make you a good Consultant in MySQL
>> technologies.
>>
>> In some countries, like France, Canada, Quebec,Germany,Ireland,
>> England, Italy, Spain, well the CEE, MySQL is present in industries,
>> banks, insurances, administration, nuclear, etc ...
>>
>> It's an evidence that Oracle and Microsoft take a very large market,
>> but some BDD like MySQL and PostGreSQL are good ... and no expensive.
>>
>> There is a lot of work ....
>>
>> So believe, think and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!
>>
>> Regards
>> Forum
>>
>
> There is no requirement to pass any exams to be a consultant for MySQL
> (or any other product). In fact, I've found that as a consultant, very
> few prospective clients care about certifications. Experience is what
> counts.

Obviously it has been a while since you dealt with head-hunters and HR
types . If you don't have certs - even with 15+ years experience,
they won't even talk to you... From my perspective there are tons of
kids out there with "Cert-This" and "Cert-That" that shouldn't even be
allowed to own a computer, much less be a "DBA". And moronic
headhunters and HR that should leave qualifications to the experts.





> That's not to say certification isn't helpful. Adding certification to
> experience can give you a slight edge.
>

except that it might get you in the door - it won't help you keep your
job because you did something as silly as deleting a datafile because
your system was low on space. (Seen this done by "certified DBA" more
than a few times )

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:35:05 GMT, Michael Austin
<maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:

>Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Yaël Chéenne wrote:
>>> walterbyrd a écrit :
>>>> There are not many jobs for regular full-time MySQL developers, or
>>>> DBAs. Those duties are usually picked up by PHP devs, or Linux admins.
>>>>
>>>> But, what about consulting? I have heard there is a market for for
>>>> MySQL consultants who know fairly high-level stuff, like replicating,
>>>> and scaling.
>>>>
>>>> What sort of qualifications would an employer want for that sort of
>>>> consulting? Are certs important?
>>>>
>>>> Lots of offshore companies do that sort of consulting, dirt cheap. Do
>>>> USA companies have a chance?
>>> ============================================
>>> Hello !!
>>>
>>> To become a MySQL Consultant, you DO PASS some certifications about
>>> MySQL. These exams (DEV-1 and DEV-2 or DBA-1 and DBA-2) are necessary,
>>> but a very good experience is necessary too.
>>>
>>> So, if you want to take scalability, availability, clustering and
>>> replication solutions with MySQL, you DO PASS another certification
>>> "Cluster Administrator".
>>>
>>> I think that's a very god opportunity, but some high level courses,
>>> personal work and experience make you a good Consultant in MySQL
>>> technologies.
>>>
>>> In some countries, like France, Canada, Quebec,Germany,Ireland,
>>> England, Italy, Spain, well the CEE, MySQL is present in industries,
>>> banks, insurances, administration, nuclear, etc ...
>>>
>>> It's an evidence that Oracle and Microsoft take a very large market,
>>> but some BDD like MySQL and PostGreSQL are good ... and no expensive.
>>>
>>> There is a lot of work ....
>>>
>>> So believe, think and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Forum
>>>
>>
>> There is no requirement to pass any exams to be a consultant for MySQL
>> (or any other product). In fact, I've found that as a consultant, very
>> few prospective clients care about certifications. Experience is what
>> counts.
>
>Obviously it has been a while since you dealt with head-hunters and HR
>types . If you don't have certs - even with 15+ years experience,
>they won't even talk to you...

Some maybe, not all and certainly not most.

>From my perspective there are tons of
>kids out there with "Cert-This" and "Cert-That" that shouldn't even be
>allowed to own a computer, much less be a "DBA". And moronic
>headhunters and HR that should leave qualifications to the experts.

More do than don't. That's why skills testing companies are doing so
well.


>> That's not to say certification isn't helpful. Adding certification to
>> experience can give you a slight edge.
>>
>
>except that it might get you in the door - it won't help you keep your
>job because you did something as silly as deleting a datafile because
>your system was low on space. (Seen this done by "certified DBA" more
>than a few times )


It makes no sense to fire a dba for an inadverdant delete of a
datafile. Firing him/her for not having BACKUPS to restore said
datafile, on the other hand, makes perfect sense.
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Michael Austin wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Yaël Chéenne wrote:
>>> walterbyrd a écrit :
>>>> There are not many jobs for regular full-time MySQL developers, or
>>>> DBAs. Those duties are usually picked up by PHP devs, or Linux admins.
>>>>
>>>> But, what about consulting? I have heard there is a market for for
>>>> MySQL consultants who know fairly high-level stuff, like replicating,
>>>> and scaling.
>>>>
>>>> What sort of qualifications would an employer want for that sort of
>>>> consulting? Are certs important?
>>>>
>>>> Lots of offshore companies do that sort of consulting, dirt cheap. Do
>>>> USA companies have a chance?
>>> ============================================
>>> Hello !!
>>>
>>> To become a MySQL Consultant, you DO PASS some certifications about
>>> MySQL. These exams (DEV-1 and DEV-2 or DBA-1 and DBA-2) are
>>> necessary, but a very good experience is necessary too.
>>>
>>> So, if you want to take scalability, availability, clustering and
>>> replication solutions with MySQL, you DO PASS another certification
>>> "Cluster Administrator".
>>>
>>> I think that's a very god opportunity, but some high level courses,
>>> personal work and experience make you a good Consultant in MySQL
>>> technologies.
>>>
>>> In some countries, like France, Canada, Quebec,Germany,Ireland,
>>> England, Italy, Spain, well the CEE, MySQL is present in industries,
>>> banks, insurances, administration, nuclear, etc ...
>>>
>>> It's an evidence that Oracle and Microsoft take a very large market,
>>> but some BDD like MySQL and PostGreSQL are good ... and no expensive.
>>>
>>> There is a lot of work ....
>>>
>>> So believe, think and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Forum
>>>
>>
>> There is no requirement to pass any exams to be a consultant for MySQL
>> (or any other product). In fact, I've found that as a consultant,
>> very few prospective clients care about certifications. Experience is
>> what counts.
>
> Obviously it has been a while since you dealt with head-hunters and HR
> types . If you don't have certs - even with 15+ years experience,
> they won't even talk to you... From my perspective there are tons of
> kids out there with "Cert-This" and "Cert-That" that shouldn't even be
> allowed to own a computer, much less be a "DBA". And moronic
> headhunters and HR that should leave qualifications to the experts.
>

Not at all. I deal with them regularly.

As I said - the clueless look for certs. The knowledgeable look for
experience.

And it's because of the "tons of kids..." that knowledgeable companies
look for the experience.

>
>
>
>
>> That's not to say certification isn't helpful. Adding certification
>> to experience can give you a slight edge.
>>
>
> except that it might get you in the door - it won't help you keep your
> job because you did something as silly as deleting a datafile because
> your system was low on space. (Seen this done by "certified DBA" more
> than a few times )
>

It will get you in the door in the clueless. But quite frankly, I don't
deal with the clueless. They're too much trouble and in the past have
cost me a lot of money.

If all they're interested in is certifications, it generally means
they're not willing to pay my rate. Or, if they are, it's going to be
so much of a hassle to work with them that I'm not interested. Life is
too short.

I pick my clients. My clients don't pick me. It's called business.
And no matter how hungry I get, I'm not interested in clients who cost
me money.

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