REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group comp.databases.mysql

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.databases.mysql. This is
not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
details are below.

Newsgroup line:
comp.databases.mysql Discussions of the MySQL database server.

RATIONALE: comp.databases.mysql

Currently, articles related to this group's proposed charter are often
cross-posted to a number of existing groups within the comp.os.linux.*
hierarchy. While not entirely off-topic for linux groups, a dedicated
group for this topic would surely make better organizational sense.

CHARTER: comp.databases.mysql

This group exists for the discussion of MySQL database server usage,
development and ancillary utilities.

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
comp.databases
comp.os.linux.misc

Proponent: Steven Katz <steven@katz.com>

From usenet Mon Nov 22 22:10:04 2004
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From: "George Augustino" <george.augustino@juno.com>
Newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.databases ,comp.lang.php,alt.php
Subject: RFD: comp.databases.mysql
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group comp.databases.mysql

Newsgroup line:
comp.databases.mysql MySQL relational database system discussion
group.

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.databases.mysql.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: comp.databases.mysql

MySQL is a relational database server that is finding increasingly
wide acceptance as a backend solution for developing data-driven
Web sites and applications. MySQL is a free, open-source, professional
quality database system similar to Microsoft SQL Server and Oracle.
MySQL is a more powerful alternative to Microsoft Access databases,
but without the expensive costs of other database servers. There
is no newsgroup for MySQL, so this is the time to create one for
the rapidly growing user base.

CHARTER: comp.databases.mysql

This newsgroup comp.databases.mysql is a Big Eight Usenet discussion
group for the MySQL relational database system. Any range of topics
that pertain to MySQL may be discussed in this newsgroup.

Do not post any promotional material of any kind to this newsgroup.

Posting of binaries is not permitted, with the exception of small
digital signatures such as PGP.

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call
For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
comp.databases
comp.lang.php
alt.php

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to the following mailing list:

Mailing list name: MySQL Advanced
Submission address: MySQL-Advanced@googlegroups.com
URL: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/MySQL-Advanced


Proponent: George Augustino <george.augustino@juno.com>

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From: "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com>
Newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.php, alt.php.sql,alt.php
Subject: RFD: comp.databases.mysql
Followup-To: news.groups
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group comp.databases.mysql

This is an invitation to discuss the following proposal to create
newsgroup comp.databases.mysql. Please note that YOU CANNOT VOTE NOW;
you may be able to vote on a version of this proposal later. See the
PROCEDURE section below if you need information about how the
discussion works.

PLEASE POST ANY FOLLOWUPS TO THE NEWSGROUP NEWS.GROUPS.

Newsgroup line:
comp.databases.mysql MySQL relational database system discussion
group.

RATIONALE: comp.databases.mysql

MySQL is a relational database server that is finding increasingly
wide acceptance as a back end solution for developing data-driven
web sites and applications. MySQL is a free, open-source,
professional quality database system similar to Microsoft SQL Server
and Oracle. MySQL is a more powerful alternative to Microsoft Access
databases, but without the expensive costs of other database servers.


There is no dedicated newsgroup for MySQL in the comp.* hierarchy and,
as a result, most of the discussions of MySQL take place in the
comp.lang.php newsgroup.

Now is the time to create a newsgroup specifically for the rapidly
growing user base of the worlds most widely distributed open-source
relational database system.


CHARTER: comp.databases.mysql

This newsgroup comp.databases.mysql is a technical discussion forum
for the MySQL relational database system. All topics that pertain to
using or learning MySQL are on-topic in this newsgroup.

Posting of promotional material of any kind to comp.databases.mysql is
explicitly prohibited. Posting of binaries is not permitted, with the
exception of small digital signatures such as PGP.

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE

When an RFD appears, it begins a process called the newsgroup creation
process. The first stage of that process is the discussion period,
and that's the stage that's now in effect.

During the discussion period, the object is indeed to discuss whether
this proposal should be enacted, and to discuss any potential problems
with it and how to resolve them. Because the RFD has a Followup-To
header pointing to news.groups, discussion will be posted there.
Therefore, if you want to be heard in the discussion, you should post
your own posts in news.groups too. Similarly, if you want to read the
discussion, you should be prepared to read it in news.groups.

During the discussion period, the proponents may issue new drafts of
the proposal, perhaps with major changes: "2nd RFD", "3rd RFD", etc.
Please do not assume that these will be the same as this draft;
please make a point of reading each, if you wish to avoid surprises.

Following the discussion period, there may be a second stage, called a
voting period. This cannot begin until 21 days after the first
RFD, *and* 10 days after the last RFD. The proponents decide whether
to ask for a voting period. If a voting period is requested by the
proponents, then a neutral vote taker will post a Call For Votes, or
CFV, whose appearance begins the voting period. The CFV will contain
instructions on how to go about voting. You cannot vote until the CFV
appears. If you want to be sure of seeing any CFV, but you don't want
to read the discussion, you may wish to subscribe to
news.announce.newgroups, a low-volume group consisting mostly of RFDs,
CFVs, and related posts.

For further information about this process, please see "Guidelines for
Big Eight Newsgroup Creation" in news.announce.newgroups. This post
tries to obey all guidelines in that post and in "How to Format and
Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents if you
have further questions.

DISTRIBUTION:

The RFD has been posted directly to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
comp.lang.php
alt.php.sql
alt.php

Pointer messages to this RFD will be posted to:

comp.databases
alt.comp.lang.php
mailing.database.mysql

Proponent: Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com>
Proponent: William Drew <bwr607@hotmail.com>

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From: "William Drew" <bwr607@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.php, alt.php.sql,alt.php
Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.databases.mysql
Followup-To: news.groups
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group comp.databases.mysql

This is an invitation to discuss the following proposal to create
newsgroup
comp.databases.mysql. Please note that YOU CANNOT VOTE NOW; you may
be
able to vote on a version of this proposal later. See the PROCEDURE
section
below if you need information about how the discussion works.

PLEASE POST ANY FOLLOWUPS TO THE NEWSGROUP NEWS.GROUPS.

Newsgroup line:
comp.databases.mysql MySQL RDBMS technical discussions.

CHANGES from previous RFD:

Minor changes in syntax have been made to the newsgroup line,
rationale, and
charter sections of this proposal.

RATIONALE: comp.databases.mysql

MySQL is a relational database server that is finding increasingly
wide
acceptance as a back end solution for developing data-driven web sites
and
applications.

There is no dedicated newsgroup for MySQL in the comp.* hierarchy and,
as a
result, most of the discussions of MySQL take place in the
comp.lang.php
newsgroup. This is unsatisfactory because MySQL is not in any
intrinsic way
related to the PHP language, and users of MySQL who do not use it in
conjunction with PHP front ends are unlikely to know to look for
discussions
of MySQL there. In addition, discussion of issues related to MySQL but
not
to PHP are off-topic for comp.lang.php. A new group specifically for
MySQL
would offer a place where all users of MySQL could participate without
risking being off-topic for the group and where all users of MySQL
could
easily discover the group.

CHARTER: comp.databases.mysql

This newsgroup comp.databases.mysql is a forum for technical
discussion of
the MySQL relational database management system. All topics that
pertain to
using, learning, developing, maintaining or improving MySQL are
on-topic in
this newsgroup.

Posting of advertising and/or promotional material of any kind to
comp.databases.mysql is explicitly prohibited. Posting of binaries is
not
permitted, with the exception of small binary components in otherwise
non-binary postings, such as PGP signatures or X-Face headers. Posts
must
be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted messages
are
prohibited

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE

When an RFD appears, it begins a process called the newsgroup creation
process. The first stage of that process is the discussion period,
and
that's the stage that's now in effect.

During the discussion period, the object is indeed to discuss whether
this
proposal should be enacted, and to discuss any potential problems with
it
and how to resolve them. Because the RFD has a Followup-To header
pointing
to news.groups, discussion will be posted there. Therefore, if you
want to
be heard in the discussion, you should post your own posts in
news.groups
too. Similarly, if you want to read the discussion, you should be
prepared
to read it in news.groups.

During the discussion period, the proponents may issue new drafts of
the
proposal, perhaps with major changes: "2nd RFD", "3rd RFD", etc.
Please do
not assume that these will be the same as this draft; please make a
point of
reading each, if you wish to avoid surprises.

Following the discussion period, there may be a second stage, called a
voting period. This cannot begin until 21 days after the first RFD,
*and*
10 days after the last RFD. The proponents decide whether to ask for
a
voting period. If a voting period is requested by the proponents,
then a
neutral vote taker will post a Call For Votes, or CFV, whose
appearance
begins the voting period. The CFV will contain instructions on how to
go
about voting. You cannot vote until the CFV appears. If you want to
be
sure of seeing any CFV, but you don't want to read the discussion, you
may
wish to subscribe to news.announce.newgroups, a low-volume group
consisting
mostly of RFDs, CFVs, and related posts.

For further information about this process, please see "Guidelines for
Big
Eight Newsgroup Creation" in news.announce.newgroups. This post tries
to
obey all guidelines in that post and in "How to Format and Submit a
New
Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents if you have further
questions.

DISTRIBUTION:

The RFD has been posted directly to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
comp.lang.php
alt.php.sql
alt.php

Pointer messages to this RFD will be posted to:

comp.databases
alt.comp.lang.php
mailing.database.mysql

Proponent: Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com>
Proponent: William Drew <bwr607@hotmail.com>

From usenet Sun Sep 25 19:02:59 2005
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From: newgroups-request@isc.org (NAN Team)
Newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.php,alt.ph p.sql,comp.lang.php
Subject: REVISED RESULT: comp.databases.mysql fails 63:3
Archive-Name: comp.databases.mysql
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:41:37 -0700
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RESULT
unmoderated group comp.databases.mysql fails 63:3

Explanation:

When the vote for this newsgroup began, we were still using the
+100 criterion for passage. Although we subsequently changed that
criterion before the original RESULT was posted, there was a strong
consensus that this was not the proper course of action. Therefore
this revision is being issued, and we state officially that the
group failed its vote.

However, our intention remains to create the group anyway. Please
see a subsequent announcement for explanation of that point.

Please also accept our apologies for any confusion or inconvenience.

Todd McComb for NAN Team

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From: bill@netagw.com (Bill Aten)
Newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.php,alt.ph p.sql,comp.lang.php
Subject: RESULT: comp.databases.mysql fails 63:3
Followup-To: news.groups
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<1125254044.26702@isc.org> <1126626005.30551@isc.org>
Supersedes: <1126626005.30551@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
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RESULT
unmoderated group comp.databases.mysql fails 63:3

Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 5 Sep 2005.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com>
Proponent: William Drew <bwr607@hotmail.com>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bill@netagw.com>

There were 66 valid YES/NO votes submitted during the voting period.
Each
proposed newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes
and at
least 100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows:

comp.databases.mysql results - 66 valid (YES & NO) votes

Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- :
-------------------------------------------
63 3 : Yes No : No : comp.databases.mysql
4 abstaining votes and 2 invalid votes

The proposal failed.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities
are
raised, the proposal may not be voted on again for six months.

The remainder of the RESULT contains:
Newsgroups Line
Rationale
Charter
Ballot Submission Irregularities
Final Voting Acknowledgements

NEWSGROUPS LINE:
comp.databases.mysql MySQL RDBMS technical discussions.

RATIONALE: comp.databases.mysql

MySQL is a relational database server that is finding increasingly
wide acceptance as a back end solution for developing data-driven web
sites and applications.

There is no dedicated newsgroup for MySQL in the comp.* hierarchy and,
as a result, most of the discussions of MySQL take place in the
comp.lang.php newsgroup. This is unsatisfactory because MySQL is not
in any intrinsic way related to the PHP language, and users of MySQL
who do not use it in conjunction with PHP front ends are unlikely to
know to look for discussions of MySQL there. In addition, discussion
of issues related to MySQL but not to PHP are off-topic for
comp.lang.php. A new group specifically for MySQL would offer a place
where all users of MySQL could participate without risking being
off-topic for the group and where all users of MySQL could easily
discover the group.

CHARTER: comp.databases.mysql

This newsgroup comp.databases.mysql is a forum for technical
discussion of the MySQL relational database management system. All
topics that pertain to using, learning, developing, maintaining or
improving MySQL are on-topic in this newsgroup.

Posting of advertising and/or promotional material of any kind to
comp.databases.mysql is explicitly prohibited. Posting of binaries is
not permitted, with the exception of small binary components in
otherwise non-binary postings, such as PGP signatures or X-Face
headers. Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and
similarly formatted messages are prohibited.

END CHARTER.

BALLOT SUBMISSION IRREGULARITIES:

Ballots invalidated: 6

6 - Anonymous vote - true source of vote anonymised

(Note: Anonymous voters were notified of the problem and reminded
that
they could request a new ballot using a different email
address)

Ballots ignored: 2

2 - Registered ballot submitted from unregistered email address

FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

comp.databases.mysql - Final Voter List

NOTE: This is not [to be used as] a mailing list. The email addresses
are provided only to help verify the validity of the interest poll.

Voted YES
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aahz%pobox/cmo Aahz
andy%andyh/co~ku Andy
Hassall
bl#ckdog=co|ku Geoff Berrow
bouvin!daimi#au*kd Niels
Olof Bouvin
bryand!grics#nte Bryan Dunphy
bwr607!hotmail$cmo Woodchuck Bill
ceri%submonkey$nte Ceri Davies
chris^txbarnes$cmo Chris Barnes
claudel?sonic~nte Claude
V. Lucas
cnw+usenet/pobox$cmo Neil Woods
dburrell=doren$nte Doren
Burrell
de5-dated-1124628991'769611!sws5=ornl~gvo Dave Sill
deepgeek=bestweb$nte Scotty
Fitzgerald
devnull?vianet$ac Trevor
Tymchuk
dsc!korana/cmo David
Cartwright
dwolff!panix#cmo David Wolff
esquel!sommarskog^es Erland
Sommarskog
ferricequine#comcast'nte tinplated
fredrik?myrealbox^cmo Fredrik Jonson
gburnore=databasix*cmo Gary L.
Burnore
googlespam/nastysoft'cmo Steve
Anderson
graham!drabble$me^ku Graham
Drabble
gsmith^alum/rpi$eud George Smith
herveus!radix#nte Michael
Houghton
hpoberlin=hispeed$hc Hanspeter 'Happl'
Oberlin
hungerf3?house~ofdoom'cmo Jeff
Hungerford
jeroen^pkmn/ln Jeroen
te Strake
jerry%smartechhomes*cmo Jerry
Stuckle
jik#kamens'brookline?ma%su Jonathan Kamens
kenrbnsn?rbnsn~cmo Ken
Robinson
kevin%insurgent$ogr Kevin
A. Cannon
kkeller!speakeasy$nte Keith Keller
kowallek?iglou~cmo Dennis
Kowallek
ljaques!diversify$cmo Larry Jaques
me~mark!atwood~anem Mark Atwood
michael!gravityspike?cmo Michael Phipps
mikael^segercrantz^pp1/inet#if Mikael
Segercrantz
mikecoxlinux|yahoo^cmo mike cox
mirwin^fas'harvard^eud Mark Irwin
nicolesgrumpy#aol$cmo Doug
O'Brien
packbart?frell~ambush'ed Hauke Lampe
pan#syix?cmo Pan
patrick!texier~niof Patrick Texier
pete!fenelon|cmo Pete
Fenelon
ph~anweald'co#ku Patrick
Herring
phil!rahul'nte Phil
Gustafson
phillipjmartin~optusnet%com#ua Phil Martin
pjr#pjr-online~fsnet?co%ku Peter J Ross
psmyth^gmx'nte Peter Smyth
rnews%river/cmo Richard
Johnson
robbwantstovote$gatornews|nte Robb
ronrhodes=glowinternet/nte Ron Rhodes
simon%darkmere~gen^zn Simon Lyall
thejo%gmx=nte Joachim Weiss
thor!anta=nte Thor
Kottelin
timpart!perdix~demon?co%ku Timothy
Partridge
tskirvin?killfile$ogr Tim
Skirvin
usenet-vote/listmail?good-stuff!co'ku Mark Goodge
vm9p8lm02=sneakemail?cmo David Harmon
vpdura^hiwaay#nte Vic Dura
wolfgang?lyxys~ka$sub'ogr Wolfgang Zenker
ymulakaj?yahoo~rf Yves
Mulakaj
zen19725?zen|co$ku Philip Hunt

Voted NO
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ellis%spinics#nte Rick Ellis
gprrspw!mindspring^cmo G.P. Ryan
stainles?realtime$nte Dwight Brown

Voted ABSTAIN
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mbeaudoin=scintrextrace%cmo Marcel
Beaudoin
mmontcha?oregonvos^nte Matthew
Montchalin
van#ette?inter~nl$nte Robert-Jan
van Ette
wwfiv%comcast#nte William W.
Farley IV

Invalid Votes
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
eridani!databasix$cmo
! No name given
support!shared-secrets/cmo Robb
! Invalid/Non-personal address

--
Bill Aten, UVV <bill@netagw.com>

From usenet Sun Sep 25 19:02:59 2005
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From: newgroups-request@isc.org (NAN Team)
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Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: comp.databases.mysql to be created by fiat
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As stated in our "Voting Threshold Adjusted for Group Passage"
announcement, lower voting totals have indicated to us that there
is a need to lower the bar for group creation. In fact, we originally
instituted a +50 rule in place of the old +100 rule.

It is our opinion that the comp.databases.mysql proposal failed due
to flaws in the newsgroup creation system rather than lack of merit
in the proposal. We are about to open the floor to a general
discussion of how newsgroup creation should be done going forward,
but that discussion is likely to take weeks or months to resolve.
Rather than leaving this group in limbo for that period, or requiring
a re-proposal that is unlikely to provide any additional information,
we therefore intend to create it by fiat, or according to our strong
belief that it is a viable group and indeed that the recently
completed voting likely demonstrates as much.

There will be a 5-day discussion period of this intention in
news.groups, effectively extending the standard 5-day discussion
period following any vote. Then a final decision will be made.

In addition to the benefits this decision might have for people who
want to use this newsgroup, it has an important additional benefit
from our perspective. It allows us one way to test the hypothesis
that the +100 rule was not working well in 2005, i.e. that it was
failing to distinguish viable from non-viable groups.

Todd McComb for NAN Team

From usenet Sun Sep 25 19:02:59 2005
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The group will be created, for the reasons already indicated. It
should begin appearing on servers very soon.

Todd McComb for NAN Team
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