Friends,

Checkout this new tool that helps in database administration and
development. It's called Guggi-Oracle and is available for free
download at:

http://www.impact-sol.com

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:19:00 -0800, OracleUser wrote:

> Friends,
>
> Checkout this new tool that helps in database administration and
> development. It's called Guggi-Oracle and is available for free
> download at:
>
> http://www.impact-sol.com

Oh heavens me, yet another spam/scam artist .... download the 30 day trial
for free and then pay $800 for a site license.

Not only a scammer, but one who still believes that free speech means
spamming the potential community is a good thing ...


--
Hans Forbrich
Canada-wide Oracle training and consulting
mailto: Fuzzy.GreyBeard_at_gmail.com
*** Top posting [replies] guarantees I won't respond. ***

Hi!
Let's wait 4 Oracle Raptor...
/Bjorn

"OracleUser" <oracle_user05@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1135279140.240034.190210@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Friends,
>
> Checkout this new tool that helps in database administration and
> development. It's called Guggi-Oracle and is available for free
> download at:
>
> http://www.impact-sol.com
>

OracleSpammer wrote:
> Friends,

Yep ... always call people friends who weren't before and sure won't
be now as you are rude and a spammer.

> Checkout this new tool that helps in database administration and
> development.

Why would I want to check out a tool promoted by a spammer. To encourage
more spamming? I don't think so.

> It's called Xxxxx-Oracle and is available for free
> download at:
>
> http://www.impact-sol.com

And a copyright infringement suit too I hope. I've forwarded your spam
to Oracle's legal department.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
http://www.psoug.org
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)

> > It's called Xxxxx-Oracle and is available for free
> > download at:
> >
> > http://www.impact-sol.com
>
> And a copyright infringement suit too I hope. I've forwarded your spam
> to Oracle's legal department.

Oracle might have a problem sueing them, they don't give an address!
"About Us" doesn't say where they are, and "Contact Us" just gives an
E-mail address.
Probably operate out of a tin shack in {Choose the country you're most
biased against}.
I will definately NOT be replying to
jobs@impact-sol.com
but I invite all those "people" who trawl newsgroups to find E-mail
addresses to spam to do so.

Merry Christmas everybody.

> HansF wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:19:00 -0800, OracleUser wrote:
>
> Oh heavens me, yet another spam/scam artist .... download the 30 day trial
> for free and then pay $800 for a site license.

Hans, Hans, Hans, your use and reference to a "scam" isn't exactly true
is it?


I read their website content. It says (check
http://www.impact-sol.com/buy.html)

"The free version expires at the end of each month and you must either
purchase a license or download it again at the beginning of each month
for further evaluation. "


This has a ring of familiarity about it. From Quest Softwares website
(check http://www.toadsoft.com/downld.html) re Toad it says

"The TOAD Freeware version may be used for a maximum of five (5) users
within Licensee's organization and expires each sixty (60) days, after
which you will need to download and install the product again."


Neither companies are scam artists! If you don't like spammers limit
your criticism to the spamming. Neither product however is a scam. The
approach to pay or use a timebombed version is not unique or unusual.

Merry Christmas
Barry

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:48:58 -0800, bbulsara23 wrote:

>> HansF wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:19:00 -0800, OracleUser wrote:
>>
>> Oh heavens me, yet another spam/scam artist .... download the 30 day trial
>> for free and then pay $800 for a site license.
>
> Hans, Hans, Hans, your use and reference to a "scam" isn't exactly true
> is it?
>

Still smacks a lot of traditional 'bait and switch' which is at the core
of many scams, largely because the spam states 'free' and the site then
reveals that 'free' applies only to the evaluation. The fact that the
spam does not reveal 'evaluation' is the cause of the irritation and label.

Based on your information, I reviewed what I wrote and agree it was a bit
harsher that necessary.

--
Hans Forbrich
Canada-wide Oracle training and consulting
mailto: Fuzzy.GreyBeard_at_gmail.com
*** Top posting [replies] guarantees I won't respond. ***

bbulsara23@hotmail.com wrote:

> Hans, Hans, Hans, your use and reference to a "scam" isn't exactly true
> is it?
>
> I read their website content. It says (spam deleted)

I think scam is appropriate.

Legitimate vendors don't spam usenet groups and, as Hans says, it has
all of the telltale signs of a marketing scam. Here try this. Thank
you for your name, affiliation, and contact information. Now we will
crank up the sales efforts. Now what I call a legitimate offering and
still SPAM.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
http://www.psoug.org
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)

ChrisF wrote:
>>>It's called Xxxxx-Oracle and is available for free
>>>download at:
>>>
>>>http://www.impact-spam.com
>>
>>And a copyright infringement suit too I hope. I've forwarded your spam
>>to Oracle's legal department.
>
>
> Oracle might have a problem sueing them, they don't give an address!
> "About Us" doesn't say where they are, and "Contact Us" just gives an
> E-mail address.

Every domain is registered to someone.

Every dollar sent to them is deposited in a bank account owned by someone.

If Oracle wants them out of business ... and I hope they do ... they
can track them down and serve them with papers.

Any particular reason you felt compelled to repeat the spammers URL?
Speaking for myself: I find that offensive.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
http://www.psoug.org
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)

<bbulsara23@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135349338.668645.225670@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> > HansF wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:19:00 -0800, OracleUser wrote:
> >
> > Oh heavens me, yet another spam/scam artist .... download the 30 day
trial
> > for free and then pay $800 for a site license.
>
> Hans, Hans, Hans, your use and reference to a "scam" isn't exactly true
> is it?
>
>
> I read their website content. It says (check
> http://www.impact-sol.com/buy.html)
>
> "The free version expires at the end of each month and you must either
> purchase a license or download it again at the beginning of each month
> for further evaluation. "
>
>
> This has a ring of familiarity about it. From Quest Softwares website
> (check http://www.toadsoft.com/downld.html) re Toad it says
>
> "The TOAD Freeware version may be used for a maximum of five (5) users
> within Licensee's organization and expires each sixty (60) days, after
> which you will need to download and install the product again."
>
>
> Neither companies are scam artists! If you don't like spammers limit
> your criticism to the spamming. Neither product however is a scam. The
> approach to pay or use a timebombed version is not unique or unusual.
>
> Merry Christmas
> Barry
>


Their marketing method is similar to the one Quest used to employ. Quest's
current "freeware" TOAD, IMO, is nothing but useless crippleware. Quest has
little to fear from this startup, however. The product quality is abysmal.
Buggy as hell, terrible UI. There is much better quality freeware
available.

My 2 cents worth -
Happy Holidays

--
Randy Harris
tech at promail dot com
I'm pretty sure I know everything that I can remember.