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santiago538@yahoo.com <santiago538@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Shares are down 20% this morning. I see all around migration from
> Solaris to Linux, but have yet to see the reverse. Usage of Solaris
> x86 seems to be confined largely to enthusiasts, much as OS/2 and
> BeOS. Most young computer savvy people I know love Linux and despise
> Sun.
>
> Every indication is that Solaris is moribund :-(

Yet the money was down just 0.5% year on year.

The stock market is a bunch of fraidy'cats and Sun should tell them to go to
hell.

--
People who need govt to enforce their religion must not have much
faith in the power of its message

In article <52HSj.237348$pM4.71479@pd7urf1no>,
"Colin B." <cbigam@somewhereelse.shaw.ca> writes:
>
> Fascinating. Migrations may be going in one direction, but that has nothing
> to do with new growth and installations. Sun is selling gear--I know,
> because we're buying it and the oil patch is buying it. Besides, migrations
> to Solaris _are_ happening, mostly from Windows. eHarmony (the dating site
> with the obnoxious commercials--oh wait; that's all of them!) switched from
> Dell/Windows boxes to Sun/Solaris-x86 a year ago.

There are quite a number of migrations from Linux to Solaris x86
too, particularly from companies which went the other way a few
years back. Trouble is you aren't likely to hear about them because
if a company publicised the fact it was moving to Linux for all sorts
of preceived benefits, having to move back can be seen as a failure
which you generally don't want to shout about too much.

> Basically, Sun has two products: Solaris and Sparc, and the only directly
> make money off of the latter. Traditional Sparc is definitely facing
> extinction sooner or later, but Niagra has given them some strength for
> a few more years. (Of course, AMD and Intel are going to go down that
> route as well, now that they've figured out how to put more than one core
> in a CPU die. It may be another three years, but we'll see it.)

We also see lots of migrations from (non-Solaris) x86 hardware to
Solaris on Niagra. This is often driven initially by power and
cooling constraints -- these are the main problems facing most of
today's datacentres. Also, note that there are extremely few OS's
out there which can make full and effective use of so many
cores -- most of the OS's on x86 hardware don't come even close.
So it's not at all clear that the bulk of AMD and Intel's
customers could use such a design effectively, although readers
of this newsgroup should have no such fears!

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article <52HSj.237348$pM4.71479@pd7urf1no>,
Colin B. <cbigam@somewhereelse.shaw.ca> wrote:
>Now from a business point of view, Sun is really NOT holding themselves
>together. Great product, good support (as much as we complain, it's still
>well above average in this industry), and a remarkable ability to screw

Please name names.

I have contracted support with very few vendors, but Sun is the
only one who can't seem to support "Take Cost Out" self-support.

And SUC is supposed to be the business model that sustains Solaris
innovation.

John
groenveld@acm.org

John D Groenveld <groenvel@cse.psu.edu> wrote:
> In article <52HSj.237348$pM4.71479@pd7urf1no>,
> Colin B. <cbigam@somewhereelse.shaw.ca> wrote:
>>Now from a business point of view, Sun is really NOT holding themselves
>>together. Great product, good support (as much as we complain, it's still
>>well above average in this industry), and a remarkable ability to screw
>
> Please name names.

Veritas. Storagetek, pre-Sun. Oracle. Nortel. All of them were pretty
horrible. Then there are application vendors, who could all be lined up
against a wall and shot, without harming their support. HP was pretty
good when I last dealt with them, but that was nearly a decade ago. Netapp
is pretty good at most things, except they're (even!) worse than Sun about
solving everything by upgrades. They tend not to fix bugs in a given
version, once a new version is released.

Colin

santiago538@yahoo.com <santiago538@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 2, 12:10 pm, "Colin B." <cbi...@somewhereelse.shaw.ca> wrote:
>> santiago...@yahoo.com <santiago...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Shares are down 20% this morning. I see all around migration from
>> > Solaris to Linux, but have yet to see the reverse. Usage of Solaris
>> > x86 seems to be confined largely to enthusiasts, much as OS/2 and
>> > BeOS. Most young computer savvy people I know love Linux and despise
>> > Sun.
>>
>> > Every indication is that Solaris is moribund :-(
>>
>> (First of all, yes I realise it's a troll)
>
> Not a troll. I like the OS very much and use it at home. I just feel
> like a Betamax owner with a large collection of video cassettes must
> have felt in the early 80s.

In that case, remember that Solaris != Sun. If Sun dies, you'll still
have OpenSolaris for a long time coming.

Colin

No.

Barry
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Rich Teer <rich.teer@rite-group.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 May 2008, santiago538@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> BeOS. Most young computer savvy people I know love Linux and despise
>> Sun.
>
> Those people are clearly Linux zealots who have no real idea (and
> don't wnat one) how cool Solaris is.

or unix in general.

On May 2, 3:44 pm, "santiago...@yahoo.com" <santiago...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Shares are down 20% this morning. I see all around migration from
> Solaris to Linux, but have yet to see the reverse. Usage of Solaris
> x86 seems to be confined largely to enthusiasts, much as OS/2 and
> BeOS. Most young computer savvy people I know love Linux and despise
> Sun.
>
> Every indication is that Solaris is moribund :-(


- I seriously think Solaris 10 is the best general purpose OS out
there. Microsoft stumbles more and more and offers weaker
technology. I haven't run Linux for several years. I'm simply not
impressed by Linux, especially as it compares Solaris w/ ZFS. Solaris
also has the best documentation. Add to these considerations -
Hypervisor and Solaris really should be growing at a pretty steady
rate. I don't see a better alternative out there.

On Fri, 2 May 2008 22:25:30 -0700 (PDT), James Tabak <jamej12@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 2, 3:44 pm, "santiago...@yahoo.com" <santiago...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Shares are down 20% this morning. I see all around migration from
>> Solaris to Linux, but have yet to see the reverse. Usage of Solaris
>> x86 seems to be confined largely to enthusiasts, much as OS/2 and
>> BeOS. Most young computer savvy people I know love Linux and despise
>> Sun.
>>
>> Every indication is that Solaris is moribund :-(
>
> - I seriously think Solaris 10 is the best general purpose OS out
> there. Microsoft stumbles more and more and offers weaker
> technology. I haven't run Linux for several years. I'm simply not
> impressed by Linux, especially as it compares Solaris w/ ZFS. Solaris
> also has the best documentation. Add to these considerations -
> Hypervisor and Solaris really should be growing at a pretty steady
> rate. I don't see a better alternative out there.

I agree with your sentiments concerning the technical merits of Solaris.
But there is still one problem, and it's a biggy. In a word - mindshare.
I've been using Solaris at home on my PC for the best part of the last
10 years. At work, we mainly use Linux and Solaris SPARC. Most of our
engineers only ever experienced Solaris 8. So the impression that most
of them have is that Solaris is antiquated, and the hardware that it
runs on [workstations] somehow manages to be dog slow AND 2 or 3 times
more expensive than a vanilla Dell Linux workstation. Most of them don't
even know that Solaris exists on x86/64. We don't exactly have customers
beating our doors down demanding Solaris x86/64 versions of our software
either.

A bientot
Paul
--
Paul Floyd http://paulf.free.fr

<santiago538@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Shares are down 20% this morning. I see all around migration from
> Solaris to Linux, but have yet to see the reverse. Usage of Solaris
> x86 seems to be confined largely to enthusiasts, much as OS/2 and
> BeOS. Most young computer savvy people I know love Linux and despise
> Sun.
>
> Every indication is that Solaris is moribund :-(

Solaris is much more popular than BeOS and OS/2 combined. Lets get that one
out of the way. Many large companies with the money to spend on E25K or
M9000 systems (big boy systems) use Solaris. If you are running a 500-3000
session of ERP or very large applications, you are likely running a real
UNIX like Solaris.

If into the supercomputer clusters, Linux rules. But this is often custom
code in science. Like weather that needs a parallel and distributed ability
well suited for a large Linux cluster.

On the desktop, UNIX died some time ago with the only exception being the
Mac and Linux in smaller percentages. Linux and Mac are really all there is
in the desktop. Oh, you might find the odd HP-UX or Sun system still alive
somewhere, but no one buys them much any more.

I have not met too many young and savvy, I see quantity. Most can't compile
C let alone read it. Then they write it in Java for a server, and run out
of scale ability and blame the OS/hardware. Know of one project right now
having this issue and no one listened. They are 2 years behind. Trouble
was, they got it working for a few sessions. 1GB for the first session with
and estimate of 500M for each additional. Now scale that up to 3000
concurrent users. It isn't going to work. But I digress...

Keep your Linux skills up. Linux is on a slow rise. If you have run Vista,
you know it's core is unsuitable as a server. I will predict Linux is going
to nibble away at the server and desktop markets. It is inevitable that
open source wins for a number of reasons. The big one is no one trusts
Micro$oft.