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#31 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 10:11 AM

On Tue, 06 May 2008 17:26:49 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:

> pavelj wrote:
>
> And how cool is Linux, really? Hardy Heron hasn't any really new cool
> features. They and stuck with providing minor updates and drivers and
> nothing really cool is coming from there.
>
> The Linux advocates should have a look at OpenSolaris 2008.05

....and you probably shouldn't compare a Linux distro that's targeted at
end-users to Solaris.

I was hoping the Solaris groups wouldn't have all the "my OS is better
than your OS" BS going on.

I just want to learn the OS not pick sides in a holy war.

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#32 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 10:11 AM

Ivan Marsh wrote:
> On Tue, 06 May 2008 17:26:49 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:
>
>> pavelj wrote:
>>
>> And how cool is Linux, really? Hardy Heron hasn't any really new cool
>> features. They and stuck with providing minor updates and drivers and
>> nothing really cool is coming from there.
>>
>> The Linux advocates should have a look at OpenSolaris 2008.05
>
> ...and you probably shouldn't compare a Linux distro that's targeted at
> end-users to Solaris.

Why not? Where's the big difference? OpenSolaris 2008.05 is really
comparable to Hardy Heron IMHO.

> I was hoping the Solaris groups wouldn't have all the "my OS is better
> than your OS" BS going on.

Well, there are trolls that yoy just can't ignore. Loads of them...

> I just want to learn the OS not pick sides in a holy war.

One must have some fun too... ;-)

#33 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 10:11 AM

On Tue, 06 May 2008 19:10:16 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:

> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 17:26:49 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:
>>
>>> pavelj wrote:
>>>
>>> And how cool is Linux, really? Hardy Heron hasn't any really new cool
>>> features. They and stuck with providing minor updates and drivers and
>>> nothing really cool is coming from there.
>>>
>>> The Linux advocates should have a look at OpenSolaris 2008.05
>>
>> ...and you probably shouldn't compare a Linux distro that's targeted at
>> end-users to Solaris.
>
> Why not? Where's the big difference? OpenSolaris 2008.05 is really
> comparable to Hardy Heron IMHO.

There is a considerable performance and stability difference between
Ubuntu and RHEL or Suse Enterprise Linux.

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#34 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 10:11 AM

Ivan Marsh wrote:
> On Tue, 06 May 2008 19:10:16 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:
>
>> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 17:26:49 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:
>>>
>>>> pavelj wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And how cool is Linux, really? Hardy Heron hasn't any really new cool
>>>> features. They and stuck with providing minor updates and drivers and
>>>> nothing really cool is coming from there.
>>>>
>>>> The Linux advocates should have a look at OpenSolaris 2008.05
>>> ...and you probably shouldn't compare a Linux distro that's targeted at
>>> end-users to Solaris.
>> Why not? Where's the big difference? OpenSolaris 2008.05 is really
>> comparable to Hardy Heron IMHO.
>
> There is a considerable performance and stability difference between
> Ubuntu and RHEL or Suse Enterprise Linux.
>
Solaris is Solaris, none of this "Enterprise" nonsense.

--
Ian Collins.

#35 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 10:11 AM

On Wed, 07 May 2008 07:48:10 +1200, Ian Collins wrote:

> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 19:10:16 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:
>>> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 17:26:49 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> pavelj wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And how cool is Linux, really? Hardy Heron hasn't any really new
>>>>> cool features. They and stuck with providing minor updates and
>>>>> drivers and nothing really cool is coming from there.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Linux advocates should have a look at OpenSolaris 2008.05
>>>> ...and you probably shouldn't compare a Linux distro that's targeted
>>>> at end-users to Solaris.
>>> Why not? Where's the big difference? OpenSolaris 2008.05 is really
>>> comparable to Hardy Heron IMHO.
>>
>> There is a considerable performance and stability difference between
>> Ubuntu and RHEL or Suse Enterprise Linux.
>>
> Solaris is Solaris, none of this "Enterprise" nonsense.

This is the inane discussion I've been talking about...

Solaris is an OS developed by a single company, so of course Solaris is
Solaris.

Linux, however, is developed, packaged and distributed by a multitude of
different companies, groups and individuals so, in the case of Linux,
"Enterprise" is in no way nonsense.

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#36 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 10:11 AM

Ivan Marsh wrote:
> On Tue, 06 May 2008 19:10:16 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:
>
>> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 17:26:49 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:
>>>
>>>> pavelj wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And how cool is Linux, really? Hardy Heron hasn't any really new cool
>>>> features. They and stuck with providing minor updates and drivers and
>>>> nothing really cool is coming from there.
>>>>
>>>> The Linux advocates should have a look at OpenSolaris 2008.05
>>> ...and you probably shouldn't compare a Linux distro that's targeted at
>>> end-users to Solaris.
>> Why not? Where's the big difference? OpenSolaris 2008.05 is really
>> comparable to Hardy Heron IMHO.
>
> There is a considerable performance and stability difference between
> Ubuntu and RHEL or Suse Enterprise Linux.

But the comparison was OpenSolaris vs. Ubuntu, wasn't it? What has that
to do with RedHat or Novell versions? But OpenSolaris/Solaris is well up
to a match against them both on performance and stability plus ease of
administration, support and features.

#37 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 10:11 AM

On Tue, 06 May 2008 20:33:59 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:

> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 19:10:16 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:
>>> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 17:26:49 +0000, Thommy M. wrote:
>>>>> pavelj wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And how cool is Linux, really? Hardy Heron hasn't any really new
>>>>> cool features. They and stuck with providing minor updates and
>>>>> drivers and nothing really cool is coming from there.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Linux advocates should have a look at OpenSolaris 2008.05
>>>>>
>>>> ...and you probably shouldn't compare a Linux distro that's targeted
>>>> at end-users to Solaris.
>>>>
>>> Why not? Where's the big difference? OpenSolaris 2008.05 is really
>>> comparable to Hardy Heron IMHO.
>>
>> There is a considerable performance and stability difference between
>> Ubuntu and RHEL or Suse Enterprise Linux.
>
> But the comparison was OpenSolaris vs. Ubuntu, wasn't it?

Yes it was.

> What has that to do with RedHat or Novell versions?

Allow me to quote myself: "There is a considerable performance and
stability difference between Ubuntu and RHEL or Suse Enterprise Linux."

Any comparison of Linux and Solaris should be with a distribution of Linux
that targets the business production environment not a distribution that's
attempting to compete directly with Windows on look and feel. Unless a
beauty contest is the core interest.

> But OpenSolaris/Solaris is well up to a match against them both on
> performance and stability plus ease of administration, support and
> features.

Of that I have no doubt, nor was it ever in question... I wouldn't say the
same of Ubuntu however.

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#38 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 01:56 PM

In article <glJSj.108022$rd2.31454@pd7urf3no>,
Colin B. <cbigam@somewhereelse.shaw.ca> wrote:
>Veritas. Storagetek, pre-Sun. Oracle. Nortel. All of them were pretty
>horrible. Then there are application vendors, who could all be lined up

I don't interface with Oracle support as often as Sun and I have
had to escalate TARs for Oracle for Solaris x86 and Oracle for
Solaris x64 bugs, but Sun support's self-service website is
frequently broken and I have had to send snail mail to
Jonathan Schwartz to get service orders resolved.

How has your experience with Oracle and Sun differed?

John
groenveld@acm.org

#39 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 01:56 PM

On 2008-05-06, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 May 2008 07:48:10 +1200, Ian Collins wrote:

>> Solaris is Solaris, none of this "Enterprise" nonsense.
>
> This is the inane discussion I've been talking about...
>
> Solaris is an OS developed by a single company, so of course Solaris is
> Solaris.
>
> Linux, however, is developed, packaged and distributed by a multitude of
> different companies, groups and individuals so, in the case of Linux,
> "Enterprise" is in no way nonsense.

I work for a *very* large corporate, and IME "enterprise" is marketing speak for
"crap".

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and presumptuous desire for a second one."
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#40 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 01:56 PM

On Wed, 07 May 2008 19:36:04 +0000, Huge wrote:

> On 2008-05-06, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 May 2008 07:48:10 +1200, Ian Collins wrote:
>
>>> Solaris is Solaris, none of this "Enterprise" nonsense.
>>
>> This is the inane discussion I've been talking about...
>>
>> Solaris is an OS developed by a single company, so of course Solaris is
>> Solaris.
>>
>> Linux, however, is developed, packaged and distributed by a multitude
>> of different companies, groups and individuals so, in the case of
>> Linux, "Enterprise" is in no way nonsense.
>
> I work for a *very* large corporate, and IME "enterprise" is marketing
> speak for "crap".

I'm sure your *very* large corporate is very proud of you.

You must not be a big fan of all the Sun Enterprise class servers then?
http://www.sun.com/servers/coolthreads/t5140/

Don't look like crap to me.

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